Bigfoot DNA

[StankApe]

yeah I saw that, (and commented too on the BE blog) no way would Sykes have anything to do with Ketchum. He would never risk his reputation on her data.

 

[jerrywayne]

In my opinion, the believers already believe. It doesn't really matter what comes out of this DNA fiasco, because either result, if there really is a result, is the right result as far as the majority of believers see it.

Even the lads and birds who do believe in Bigfoot but don't buy into Ketchup's DNA Drama won't be affected either way.

It'll be yet another of the many forgotten Bigfoot Bollock Bites lost at sea on the internet forevermore, and at some point, another one will surface.

It's just the latest version of the Skookum cast, and the only opinion such thing's as this divide, is the opinion of the people who already believe in Thathquatch.

No'one else gives a monkey's arse about it.

Make's one wonder: in theory, what could cause a committed, honest, true believer to change her/his mind about the existence of Bigfoot.

 

[RedRatSnake]

yeah I saw that, (and commented too on the BE blog) no way would Sykes have anything to do with Ketchum. He would never risk his reputation on her data.

The setup to throw him under the bus is in motion, conspiracy & government cover up coming right up ~ lol

 

[DennyT]

yeah I saw that, (and commented too on the BE blog) no way would Sykes have anything to do with Ketchum. He would never risk his reputation on her data.

Go back and look again: Meldrum stopped in to say that Sykes hasn't even begun to run samples. So....

 

[AttorneyTom]

Go back and look again: Meldrum stopped in to say that Sykes hasn't even begun to run samples. So....

Gosh.. I wonder why ?????

Perhaps those samples are.. well we can fill that in, eh ?

So..

2. On the 2nd day of Christmas my true love gave to me .. two "synthetic hairs".

Just saying...

 

[RedRatSnake]

What really gets me with all this DNA stuff when it comes to Bigfoot is the need for Ketchum and crew to keep explaining their position, do other scientists or labs need to do this in order to explain a new find ?
Boil it all down and you got one hell of a reason to lie your ass off while waiting for someone else to come up with another dodge, just to give the footers time to think about how they are going to get out of this mess.

 

[AlaskaBushPilot]

Here is a comprehensive discussion of The Melba Follies on a site called Over the Line Smokey

http://seesdifferent.wordpress.com/category/entertainment/

It's in the entertainment section, where it belongs. It's got all that we have discussed here in the article - her loan defaults, business failures, stealing equiptment from a little old lady...

A good read for putting a lot of the story in one place.

 

[MikeG]

Go back and look again: Meldrum stopped in to say that Sykes hasn't even begun to run samples. So....

Not everything that falls from Meldrum's lips is treated as gospel in this shire, so why believe this particular snippet from him?

Mike

 

[mikeyx]

Gosh.. I wonder why ?????

Perhaps those samples are.. well we can fill that in, eh ?

So..

2. On the 2nd day of Christmas my true love gave to me .. two "synthetic hairs".

Just saying...

Since when did DNA testing become a race? You do it, you do it right. Preferably without silly claims of mind rape, and nifflehimers and the like.

That kinda thing smells like a kook fart.

 

[mikeyx]

What really gets me with all this DNA stuff when it comes to Bigfoot is the need for Ketchum and crew to keep explaining their position, do other scientists or labs need to do this in order to explain a new find ?
Boil it all down and you got one hell of a reason to lie your ass off while waiting for someone else to come up with another dodge, just to give the footers time to think about how they are going to get out of this mess.

They are either behind all the crazy alledged beliefs, or they miserably failed to quell the rumors to that effect. Their cred id dead either way if they ever had any.

that whole Vet sequencing dna thing.

 

[Maldon]

Go back and look again: Meldrum stopped in to say that Sykes hasn't even begun to run samples. So....

Someone at the BFF apparently wrote and asked him.

With regard to my contacting prof Sykes. He was kind enough to reply. He did say analysis was going well, and NuDNA testing would be used where appropriate. He also said publication wouldn't be this year, so they're obviously behind on their published schedule. As for the reasons, I didn't ask, so it could be anything.

Post 400 in this thread: http://bigfootforums.com/index.php?...ral-hominid-project/page__st__390#entry668291

 

[RedRatSnake]

They are either behind all the crazy alledged beliefs, or they miserably failed to quell the rumors to that effect. Their cred id dead either way if they ever had any.

that whole Vet sequencing dna thing.

Just a thought here. I am thinking if they keep up this stuff with the DNA and crazy ideas with balloons and flooding web sites with wild ideas, there is a good chance it could come crashing backdown on them, DNA is good science with the right people and I think they took the wrong approach this time, they should have just kept with the way it was and not got involved making a joke out of DNA Science in anyway, someone is going to get ticked off.

 

[DennyT]

Last week, Ketchum was doing a good bit of tweeting. She said

Our mito alone is 16.5 Kb on the samples. Our nuDNA is 3 genomes/three individuals and is 3 Terabytes of data and billions of bases.

and

After all they accepted a new species of monkey (below) with less than 6.8 kilobases of sequence.

pointing to this article, , saying
Unfortunately, among many things that Ketchum did not tell her dear readers about this article and related science, was the fact that THEY SHOWED US THE MONKEY!

2. Specimens Examined

Seven specimens of C. lomamiensis and eight specimens of C. hamlyni were used for analyses and descriptions of C. lomamiensis and C. hamlyni (Tables S1, S2). Specimens collected in the field included freshly killed animals acquired from local hunters, animals killed by predators (including kills by leopards, Panthera pardus, or crowned eagles, Stephanoaetus coronatus) and one skin snip from a monkey captured locally and kept as a captive in a village near the species’ range. We used GPS to record locations where specimens were recovered in the field; when exact location of specimen origin was not possible (e.g., location based on hunter reporting), locations were estimated to the nearest settlement or geographic feature. We took information on the provenance, history and care of all captive animals seen. We took photographs of all specimens and captives, and recorded standard field measurements (total length, tail length, length of hind foot, length of ear pinnae, and body mass) wherever possible. Duplicates of tissue samples were stored in RNAlater (Applied Biosystems, Foster City, CA) and 95% ethanol and stored in the field in cool, dark locations until transferred to the laboratory.

All C. lomamiensis skin and skeletal specimens are housed in the Yale Peabody Museum (YPM), New Haven, CT. Adult C. hamlyni specimens were examined at the YPM and the American Museum of Natural History (AMNH), New York, NY. See Table S1 for details on the specimens examined.

Oh, and by the way, we'd all like to see these k's and megas and teras we keep hearing about? Because that is, ya know, the way science is done.

 

[DennyT]

What really gets me with all this DNA stuff when it comes to Bigfoot is the need for Ketchum and crew to keep explaining their position, do other scientists or labs need to do this in order to explain a new find ?
Boil it all down and you got one hell of a reason to lie your ass off while waiting for someone else to come up with another dodge, just to give the footers time to think about how they are going to get out of this mess.

A little speculation on what may be forthcoming:

The most likely scenario seems to be that she, Paulides and Burtsev are anticipating publication in some Russian journal. I expect that she may have gotten some positive signals/invitations from some (note to self: find euphemism for "bad journal') journal over there. I have long been of the opinion that in the time which has elapsed she could easily have submitted her paper to 5 or 6 American and/or European journals and been rejected by all. And there really aren't that many journals that would be appropriate. Todd Disotell, in whose lab much of the "new monkey species" work was done (look at the authors' institutions and the acknowledgements at the end of the paper) has heard nothing about the paper being submitted anywhere.

I think she is just pulling the same trick with her paper (and video) that Rene Dahinden did with the Patterson film back in the early 70's: if you can't find any scientists in the US who will endorse it, take the dog and pony show to Europe. If nobody bites there, go to Russia. It worked then, and it may work now.

I do think there is some desperation, and some need to mollify Wally Hersom and monetize.

In at least one of her many interviews in the past couple of weeks, Ketchum has mentioned that she has HD video of sasquatch, which will be released after someone(?) publishes her paper (or as she puts it, after "the paper publishes"...as if...). If the stories are correct, that Ketchum purchased this from Erickson, and if one assumes that this current barrage of interviews is an attempt to mollify Wally Hersom or raise needed cash, and if one assumes that a video might be worth money, then one might guess that Ketchum is shopping that video. Her fall, 2010, copyright document mentions a documentary. And here is an admittedly impossible to verify description of what she may have:

We can now confirm the existence of a 45 minute video on the Erickson Project (EP). If it is ever released, it will go down in history as one of most stunning documentaries in the history of film. I know that this film exists, because one of my sources watched the whole thing.

First of all, the video consists of a number of interviews. There are interviews with Adrian Erickson, head of the project; Dr. Leila Hadj-Chikh, apparently the lead scientist with the project; Dennis Pfohl, head videographer with the project among other roles; and Dr. Melba Ketchum, who is running her own DNA project in tandem with the Erickson Project. The interview with Ketchum shows her sitting at a chair, working in her lab. The interviews make up about 3/4 of the footage of the film, or about 33 minutes.

The other quarter of the film, or about 12 minutes of footage, is made up of some of the most kick-ass, out of this world, knock your socks off Bigfoot footage that the world has ever seen. The closeup video of the young female Bigfoot in Kentucky we described earlier is part of the footage, but there is much more. There is quite a bit of other footage from the same Kentucky site. In addition, there is excellent footage, possibly on a par with the Kentucky footage, from at least one or possibly more than one other habituation site.

All of the 12 minutes of Bigfoot footage on the tape is excellent. Some of it was shot in the day, and a fair amount of it was shot at night with infrared technology. The night footage is also very good. At least some of the footage is on a par with the Patterson film, and some is even better. Chris Noel said the footage as a whole “will blow the lid off the whole field.”

I am definitely up for blowing the lid off the whole field, though I don't exactly mean it in the same way that Chris Noel probably did. So let's see it. Publish ThePaper in Cyrillic, with all the terabytes of data, show me the monkey video, pass GO, and collect $200. She deserves some cash.

I could be completely wrong. But if she is still trying for a good journal, what she has done makes little sense, because it decreases the chances of acceptance.

 

[Jodie]

Anyone can say anything they like, but if you don't have anything to show for it well.....then it just becomes another Lloyd Pie kind of deal, right along with alien autopsies. Too bad DNA testing wasn't available in that time or I'm sure someone would have made some wild ass claims, more so than there already are, about the Roswell incident.

As a matter of fact someone did, Bill Chalker in "Hair of the Alien. " Amazingly it came back human too. I would think a hair found wrapped around your penis would be human but I suppose if you believe in alien abduction you might not consider that as an option???? He used that as proof that the aliens are here to hybridize with humans so this is not a unique claim that Melba and Paulides are making, it's been done before.

 

[HarryHenderson]

...If bigfootery weren't a haven for fakes, frauds, con men and prevaricators, "provenance" might mean something. But it is, so it doesn't. A postmark isn't a guarantee of anything, nor is an affidavit. This is science, not "Who Do You Trust."...

I'm no scientist...but having mostly kept abreast of TheMelba's happenings via your posts, it's obvious she hasn't gone about this with any serious adherence to any version of 'the scientific method'. In a likely case of be careful what you wish for, I don't truly get why she would want her version of science put under the serious scrutiny of actual scientists. In any formal arena, they'd gut her then kill her. They're actually being nice to her in declining her 'submission'. She should be gracious, being such declinations are keeping the questions about her pharmacist's and psychiatrist's e-mail addresses quiet. I wonder if she really believes she's got anywhere to go but down?

 

[Drewbot]

How about 'SCIENSE RAG'

Spelling intended

 

[AttorneyTom]

There is no BF DNA ? Because there is no BF !

 

[DennyT]

There is a report coming from one of the more credible sources in the bigfoot world (Steven Streufert) that Ketchum's "paper" is going to be "published" this week. He seems to have the time reckoned down to minutes and seconds!

I am not finding these claims where Steven says they are... on Facebook....so I don't know if he is being serious or not. But let's assume he is.

I don't know how one times a publication down to the second...my best guess is that since, by the countdown clock provided by SS, it would be midnight in East Texas, that she is saying that Friday is the publication date and Friday comes to East Texas at midnight. That would be my best guess.

On the off-chance that Streufert's melodramatic countdown timer is literally correct/accurate, and if my addition is correct, he is saying Thursday at 10pm Pacific. That would pretty much preclude any sort of traditional and credible publication in the US or London. My timezoneology would make that Friday at 10am in Moscow and Friday at 2 pm in Beijing. Either place would be indicative of either a [insert euphemism] or a [insert worse euphemism] in terms of the journal's standing in the scientific community.

Which journal?
Hmmm. Just a week or so ago, Ketchum said that ThePaper was in peer review. Now she says it is being published this week. That would mean we are not dealing with a traditional on-shore paper journal. Is the alternative an online journal? PLOS? That might allow for the examination of her purported massive data, but the open access policy might be a problem for the NDA Queen.

or, of course, the most likely explanation is either SS is fooling with us, or Ketchum is fooling with him, or, just

....soon....

 

[calwaterbear]

Ketchum Math hypnotizes true believers!

So in just a bit of a documented recap. i am personally aware of about 15 individuals who were told by Miss Melba that the samples they submitted to her were indeed bigfoot. People like Sasfooty, Indiefoot, Southern Yahoo, Justin Smeja all publically confirmed that information on the BFF, that they had been notified that their samples were indeed frombigfoot! I am personally aware of several others from personal contacts.

So now lets walk into todays reality! Melba has publically stated that she has 20 mtDNA samples, all which came back human! So she could not have gotten the positive for BF samples from there, correct?

So if those came back human, where did the >15 positive samples come from? she has said she only has 3 individual nuDNA genomes, so if my math is right, she could only tell 3 sample submitters that they had BF DNA - right? so where did the minimum of 12 positive samples - how does she know? the math simply does not match up.

The interesting thing here is that all of the positive sample givers have not figured out that 15 is > 3. I understand it is a complex mathmatical concept, but really at what point will the light go on in the tower for one of these submitters, so far they have not questioned this seemingly impossible conumdrum!
CWB