Bigfoot DNA

[LTC8K6]

Darn, I would have thought you would know a good one.

It doesn't matter where they are from, there is no place good enough for bigfoot right? What matters is what this physical evidence belongs to, and why it would be published if it wasn't something of great interest. It must belong to some known right? That would be an easy ID for any specialist in the field of DNA.

It would never occur to me to think a bigfoot mauled that tree. Not even when I was a teen and wanted to see a bigfoot. That behavior is quite typical of well known animals.

ID'ing hairs always seems to be problematic anyway.

Most likely you are already pretty sure what the hairs are actually from. Not too many creatures do that to a tree and have hairs that long.

Meldrum's lack of response is also telling, imo. He would certainly be trumpeting any result that could remotely be used to promote bigfoot, such as "unknown". Most likely he knew immediately and didn't bother.

 

[southernyahoo]

You are aiming too low. The scientific confirmation of a new species of great ape would be of paramount importance. Those reviewers would crap their pants with glee. But their job is to find legitimate and defensible ways to reject Ketchum's paper. If they cannot find that it is flawed they will want to proceed to having others examine the actual evidence and replicate the DNA analysis. Because of its significance, it would be folly to publish her paper without independant replication using the same evidence.

I can understand that, and I'll be there if they want another sample.

 

[LTC8K6]

The tech mentioned one hair that tested 62% positive for fox. That didn't make any real sense

Yes. I would run away from that tech...

 

[LTC8K6]

Maybe the squatch cornered and ate a fox at the cedar tree...

 

[southernyahoo]

It would never occur to me to think a bigfoot mauled that tree. Not even when I was a teen and wanted to see a bigfoot. That behavior is quite typical of well known animals.

Yes , the candidates were bovine, bison, horse, and the long shot bear.

ID'ing hairs always seems to be problematic anyway.

With good root tissue tags the success rate is high to ID them.

Most likely you are already pretty sure what the hairs are actually from. Not too many creatures do that to a tree and have hairs that long.

Thats why I didn't give up on them.

Meldrum's lack of response is also telling, imo. He would certainly be trumpeting any result that could remotely be used to promote bigfoot, such as "unknown". Most likely he knew immediately and didn't bother.

He may have been as skeptical as you are about them, but he's not really a hair expert either. We figured he might persue it since he's trying to collect hair samples as well, and would potentially have the funding to test them out. I think he follows Henners hair criteria, which if these are bigfoot hairs, he doesn't know them all either.

 

[LTC8K6]

With good root tissue tags the success rate is high to ID them.

Apparently not in this case. You seem to be all over the place with these. Why would that be?

Will you ask Meldrum about the samples? Maybe get them back if he isn't going to get them examined?

 

[southernyahoo]

Apparently not in this case. You seem to be all over the place with these. Why would that be?

Not sure I follow, if the samples were a known animal we would know by now. All you have to do is recommend another scientist to test them that is above reproach, surely it's not Meldrum.

Will you ask Meldrum about the samples? Maybe get them back if he isn't going to get them examined?

What if I want him to have those. I have more

 

[GT/CS]

Does bigfoot have long hair or short hair?
Since Patty obviously had short hair why is everyone so hung up on finding long hair.

 

[LTC8K6]

Not sure I follow, if the samples were a known animal we would know by now.

And if they were an unknown animal you would know by now. You would have it's DNA profile. Somehow you don't seem to, despite multiple tests.

 

[William Parcher]

Yes, the candidates were bovine, bison, horse, and the long shot bear.

Looking at your many hair samples, we see that the hairs are quite wavy or curly. Hardly anything really straight in there.

This is something very different from the typical description (verbal, sketch or film) of Bigfoot hair. Imagine a hominoid creature covered with this kind of hair. It's going to look like a bushy mass with little opportunity to see underlying body details or contours. This is entirely different than what we see in the PGF.

This hair characteristic is so much unlike any primate that it should be the leading descriptor in any eyewitness account. "My God, it looked like a giant human but it had something like an afro or perm from head to toe."

 

[southernyahoo]

Does bigfoot have long hair or short hair?
Since Patty obviously had short hair why is everyone so hung up on finding long hair.

You can't dictate what length of hair you would find. The length can help rule out alot of animals. Where are the measurements of pattys hair, or is that subjective opinion?

 

[southernyahoo]

And if they were an unknown animal you would know by now. You would have it's DNA profile. Somehow you don't seem to, despite multiple tests.

Yeah, I would know, but having the DNA doesn't mean I could interpret it. Thats why I would rather a scientist publish on it in the peer review process.

 

[River]

Looking at your many hair samples, we see that the hairs are quite wavy or curly. Hardly anything really straight in there.

This is something very different from the typical description (verbal, sketch or film) of Bigfoot hair. Imagine a hominoid creature covered with this kind of hair. It's going to look like a bushy mass with little opportunity to see underlying body details or contours. This is entirely different than what we see in the PGF.

This hair characteristic is so much unlike any primate that it should be the leading descriptor in any eyewitness account. "My God, it looked like a giant human but it had something like an afro or perm from head to toe."

Looks a little like human pubes. If I had to guess from the pics I'd say black bear.

 

[southernyahoo]

Looking at your many hair samples, we see that the hairs are quite wavy or curly. Hardly anything really straight in there.

This is something very different from the typical description (verbal, sketch or film) of Bigfoot hair. Imagine a hominoid creature covered with this kind of hair. It's going to look like a bushy mass with little opportunity to see underlying body details or contours. This is entirely different than what we see in the PGF.

This hair characteristic is so much unlike any primate that it should be the leading descriptor in any eyewitness account. "My God, it looked like a giant human but it had something like an afro or perm from head to toe."

I agree, the animal would look pretty shaggy if covered head to toe, however the hairs might have come from the arm where it is said to hang a bit longer. Longer arms and occasional quadrupedal locomotion might explain why the hair had picked up the cockel burrs and why the hairs had been pulled out by the root in oder to remove the burrs.

Humans are primates right?

 

[Deacondark]

If you check the BBB reports on Melba Ketchum's business, you will see quite a few complaints against her, several claiming that she returned dna analysis that is impossible, given the samples she was given. I put zero faith in her abilities, to be honest.

 

[LTC8K6]

Looks a little like human pubes. If I had to guess from the pics I'd say black bear.

Yeah, that's what most people would have said upon seeing the tree and the hairs...

That's what a well known footer said too.

Dr. Fahrenbach responded with his results first and claimed that without a doubt the sample was Black Bear.

I think Meldrum agrees....

They could have saved a lot of money and effort.

 

[William Parcher]

But a black bear doesn't have curly hair. I can't see how it could be that.

 

[William Parcher]

Many cows have the right stuff.

 

[southernyahoo]

Yeah, that's what most people would have said upon seeing the tree and the hairs...

That's what a well known footer said too.

Thats a pretty good observation, though I think the hairs are longer than most, just a guess there.

I think Meldrum agrees....

They could have saved a lot of money and effort.

I agree with Parcher, your standard bear hair is shorter and more straight. In morphology the suspect hairs don't have the uniserial ladder medulla either. This is something that I think Henner missed.

 

[southernyahoo]

Here is a comparison of bear, chimp, and the unknown.