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Do people seriously believe in Bigfoot? I mean, there's a whole show dedicated to it now, "Finding Bigfoot" or something like that. Should be a long series as they're never going to find it.....
 
NoahFence said:
Do people seriously believe in Bigfoot? I mean, there's a whole show dedicated to it now, "Finding Bigfoot" or something like that. Should be a long series as they're never going to find it.....
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Wasn't that "Harry and the Hendersons?"
 
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Evidentally, the Jacobs Photo is still under debate, Oh, and they have two Bigfoot bodies.
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They're STILL debating the Jacob's photos? The only Black bears I've ever seen are on TV, but when I first saw this photo I said "It's a skinny Black bear"! Maybe a big clue was the photos of the Black bears in the rest of the series.
 
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That guy will seriously spout anything.
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Who the **** is this Robert Lindsay IDIOT I was so pleasantly ignorant of less than 24 hours ago? A BFRO shill? Matt Moneymaker's preferred 'money shot' target? Did you all read his 'interview' with the 'great white hunter'? These guys take a whole lot better drugs than I do. Apparently I need a better connect...<dialtone>.
 
I have had a little interaction with Robert Lindsay and I really don't know how to take him. He certainly never met a bigfoot tale he didn't believe. I wonder if he did the math on what it would take to shoot 1000 bears and that, perhaps , the DNR of whatever state/province the guy was in might be a tad upset.
 
The news from Robert Lindsay gets stranger by the day. He is saying and, appears to believe, that Melba Ketchum is in possession of two tissue samples from two different big foots and that one of them is a juvenile. One of the samples is allegedly from the thigh. The questions of provenance and chain of custody seem not to bother them at all and the rumors that it '100% Homo Sapiens Sapiens' persist. If Paulides is involved in this as William Parcher thinks, this is going to be a complete mess.
 
HarryHenderson said:
Who the **** is this Robert Lindsay IDIOT I was so pleasantly ignorant of less than 24 hours ago?
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Robert Lindsay/Silver Fox on BFF...

I live off a trust fund, and I'm basically on permanent early retirement for many years now. I got nothing to do all day, and I'm bored out of my head. This BF stuff is more fun than a barrel of monkeys.
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Richard Stubstad on BFF...

While I'm 97% certain the sasquai actually exist (much to my own surprise, by the way), I still don't have a clue what its actual genetic make-up is. It could be anything between a completely new hominid (like a Denisovan) to a feral human of sorts--or even possibly several concurrent varieties, for example the "Western Sasquatch", the "Eastern Sasquatch", and the "Skunk Ape". These possible subdivisions may be interbreeding as well (if they exist), thus creating wider genetic diversity. In fact, this may be the only thing that allows them to survive--if we can just get folks to stop shooting them, as reported to be the case here in California last November or December. And no, neither of the first two mtDNA samples were from this purported kill. I told Dr. K I didn't want to even KNOW about such data, because it was MURDER--if in fact it happened.
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Paulides responds to Stubstad's grandstanding:

"I am highly disappointed in some people, people that asked to join the project...
Certain individuals that were allowed to join the project have personal objectives that were more important to them then the teams objectives....


....DNA identifies what the biped is, and we then have an indisputable answer. Remember, this isn’t a one or two specimen; these are samples from across North America. This isn’t one laboratory doing the testing; several have crosschecked the work of others. There is a specific story line about each of the specimens, how they were obtained, witnessed and how they are associated with the biped.

I can guarantee that the information you are reading in the media is but a shot glass of sludge on a mountain of data. The people releasing the information have extremely fragmented data on two of our 100+ samples. These people are not DNA experts, have never worked in that field yet feels compelled to let the world know their opinions. When we started the process of accumulating specimens we had hoped for a dozen.....
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The next time you read anything associated with our project, understand that unless it comes directly from Dr. Ketchum, nobody has all of the results. There is only one DNA expert who has all the data sitting in front of them, Dr. Ketchum. There will always be people in this world who want to inflict pain and suffering into others who have worked years at a project, for little or no compensation, and it’s those people that gain some level of satisfaction in knowing they’ve inflicted that pain, taken the air out of that balloon, it’s those people I feel sorry for...

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Yes, we are still accepting specimens for DNA testing. The DNA Project has a benefactor who pays for the testing process, the testing process and examination by a hair and fiber expert costs the submitter nothing. If you are interested in submitting a sample, please contact me directly.


David Paulides"
http://www.nabigfootsearch.com/bigfootblog.html
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I am willing to bet that Paulides/Ketchum will not be trying to make the world believe that Bigfoot is an mtDNA haplogroup H whitey from a western European lineage, as Stubstad is. They will be trying to make North American tribal people (haplogroups ABCD or X) into Bigfoots IMHO....those are the folks that Paulides has been working with, and talking and writing about for the last several years. So Stubstad has really cut their legs out from under them with his leak that his two samples were group H.

(I love the "story line" bit...)

Popcorn...
 
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Quick question-

What are the reactions of bigfootery heavy weights like Meldrum to this drama?

They favor an ape other than H. sapiens and should be debating, presenting counter arguments.
 
Correa Neto said:
Quick question-

What are the reactions of bigfootery heavy weights like Meldrum to this drama?

They favor an ape other than H. sapiens and should be debating, presenting counter arguments.
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Follow the money....I expect Meldrum will find a way to go along with a "hybrid" theory.
 
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parnassus said:
Follow the money....I expect Meldrum will find a way to go along with a "hybrid" theory.
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I think Meldrum will find a way to say pretty much nothing about this. At the most, he would probably only say things like "hmm", "interesting", "curious", "surprising", etc.

He seems to be on-board thumbs-up (so to speak) with the Erickson Project, but I haven't seen him the same with the Ketchum Project. I don't know if he has any comments on record for that. I would imagine that he would support any DNA analysis of Bigfoot evidence, but that is still quite different from any subsequent finding that "DNA reveals Bigfoot to be human or a human hybrid".
 
The implications of human mtDNA are apparently not evident to Stubstad and the bleevers. I expect that Meldrum would have a better understanding, and this would certainly make him reluctant to play along. On the other hand, he did come out with the "Bigfoot will eat your babies" idea.

One thing I know, it's gonna be a train wreck, unfolding in slow motion.
 
So Parn, what is this "Bigfoot is a hybrid" thing about?

Are they thinking that Bigfoot is a cross breed of a human and a Bigfoot? See the weirdness of that?

Are they saying that there are no living pure ancestral populations of the thing known as Bigfoot?

Or, are they saying that the world presently contains all of the below?:

Pure Humans
Pure Bigfoots
Human x Bigfoot hybrids
 
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I know you didn't ask me, but my sense is that there's a gathering storm trying to make the case that bigfoot is fully human, it's just a subspecies of some sort. This makes characterizations of hybrids ambiguous.

I don't know that there's any unified message coming from the Ketchum fans.
 
The hybrid idea was not one that I had even considered, but has been advanced at this stage by those who dont understand what that would mean. It is dead on arrival as far as I am concerned.

I don't think Paulides is trying for the hybrid idea; I think he is going for the "human yet Sasquatch" concept based on a few polymorphisms found in isolated tribal people. I guess sub-species is the terminology.

I am getting the impression from Stubstad's posts that Ketchum is (or was) as naive as I had suspected. Hence, my prediction of a train wreck. I get the feeling, from his latest post, that, while seeming to praise her, Paulides is now setting her up to take the fall.

It's all like "who shot JR?" at this point lol.
 
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