Bigfoot DNA

[COGrizzly]

There was one where in my hometown, an ape "escaped" from a local circus. They tried to hunt it down, never found it. Early 1900's.

Tirademan seems to be Ok. He just posted recently.

Not sure if they finished it or not.

 

[COGrizzly]

Tontar. (possibly)

Not sure how he did it, but that is the latest.

 

[Jodie]

Ahhhhh, was he targeting a specific researcher or was he just doing it to demonstrate how easy it was to fake prints? Did he admit it? How do they know it was him?

 

[Muldur]

Huh? Science has been asking for DNA and any other samples all along.

If Sykes is working closely with footers then he may have become biased. This is not a good thing at all for footers.

You risk being permanently at the mercy of the choir, unable to break free into the real world. All of your testing and studies end up being done by believers, who only tell you what you want to hear.

What are you trying to say about Sykes?

Translation into English: Anyone not 100% Denialist/Scofftic is automatically biased.

Only in Skepticland is true scientific open-mindedness an indicator of unreliability.

 

[Muldur]

If you take that position then you stand with a very small fraction of scientists, those that are all in the so called BF community, scientist's at a whole do not even take a notion that BF is anything but a folk law.

Argument from authority...about what I've come to expect from your RRS.

As for the recent furor over Tontar...he's all mouth and no pony to show for it, just like Kita and his claim to have "found the PGF suit". Which he can't squeeze Campfire BobH into no matter how he tries, nor can he change the fact that the old yarn-spinner couldn't keep his stories straight if his life depended on it.

 

[Jodie]

Hi Mulder, how are you?

 

[LTC8K6]

Translation into English: Anyone not 100% Denialist/Scofftic is automatically biased.

Only in Skepticland is true scientific open-mindedness an indicator of unreliability.

I didn't say anything of the sort...

My post is clearly on the side that Sykes is not biased, and chastises the poster for suggesting he might be.

 

[River]

Argument from authority...about what I've come to expect from your RRS.

As for the recent furor over Tontar...he's all mouth and no pony to show for it, just like Kita and his claim to have "found the PGF suit". Which he can't squeeze Campfire BobH into no matter how he tries, nor can he change the fact that the old yarn-spinner couldn't keep his stories straight if his life depended on it.

Hi Muldur. Are you willing to accept the results that Sykes comes up with? If the results don't show any bigfoot DNA, are you willing to concede there is none? What samples should be tested that werent? I've seen you claim many times there was hair evidence and other types of potential DNA for bigfoot. If all of those are tested and do not reveal bigfoot, would you be willing to concede there is no bigfoot?

What would it take for you personally to concede that bigfoot does not exist? I'm genuinely curious as you have been one of the most prolific believers I've come across.

 

[COGrizzly]

Seems to be all speculation as of yet with Tontar. Tick tock.

 

[River]

Jodie and River posted at the same time as I...

I've always asked the question to myself, "Can they ALL be wrong?" <-- referring to all of the reports of Sasquatches.

"Tirademan's" accounts from old days always have intrigued me, frankly. No one lied back then, right?

Tirademan seems like a genuinely nice fellow. I'm not too keen on his beliefs, but aside from all that

tirademan

Very cool find...thanks for sharing.

Skeptics should swallow the fact that sasquatch exist, which is why finds like this occur. And always have.

Hoaxing is a highly boated red herring. Very few hoaxes have been proven.

The need to label every large, hairy, man-like ape report a hoax is a compulsion for some, and a complete waste of time.

tirademan

I have to shake my head when I see statements like that. Irony much? How many bigfoot hoaxes have you seen over the years? Now how many bigfoots? What does that make bigfoot, a world record pregnant red herring on a yacht?

 

[Cuddles]

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[RedRatSnake]

Argument from authority...about what I've come to expect from your RRS.

Hi Mulder

I think what i have to say about BF comes from fact, fact is no specimen or solid evidence, here we are almost what 5 years into this DNA thing and still nothing has come of it, it is obvious to me that it has all been another hoax of sorts and just part of the grand plan to milk it out as much as possible.

The DNA is a bust, if there was something to it and the chunks of meat it would have come out by now, 4 + years and still waiting. Yawn !

Tim

 

[Jodie]

I hope Sykes's study will be somewhat definitive, either put a nail in potential bigfoot's coffin or at least show there is something out there, either result is fine with me. I've given up on Ketchum over a year ago.

 

[Castro]

The DNA is a bust, if there was something to it and the chunks of meat it would have come out by now, 4 + years and still waiting. Yawn !
Tim

And it could last even more than that. The NDA idea is really great in that regard.

 

[catsmate]

Prof. Bryan Sykes is now officially a member of Bigfootology. He's working closely with Bigfooters to get the proper DNA samples for his study. Normally, someone of his stature wouldn't attempt something like this, but maybe something or possibly someone got his attention. One of the people he's working with has already received the DNA results from Dr. Ketchum and is confident it will be Brian Sykes who will make the discovery. Never has there been a study where scientists ask for DNA samples

No. Sykes is part of the 'Oxford-Lausanne Collateral Hominid Project', co-leading it with Michel Sartori of the Lausanne Museum of Zoology.
They've challenged the bigfooters and other cryptid believers to supply their supposed samples for proper analysis, rather than evading such scrutiny as they have until now.
As Professor Sykes put it:

"I'm challenging and inviting the cryptozoologists to come up with the evidence instead of complaining that science is rejecting what they have to say."

and

"As an academic I have certain reservations about entering this field, but I think using genetic analysis is entirely objective; it can't be falsified." "So I don't have to put myself into the position of either believing or disbelieving these creatures."

It'll be interesting to see how the believers respond.

I think you may mistake optimism, for more of a calling out. Sykes is in a way calling out all of the cryptozoologists saying put up or shut up. I guess the results should put an end to the false claims about "we have evidence of bigfoot".

Exactly

 

[Jodie]

What I am hearing about Sykes is that those that think they have definitive evidence based on Ketchum's results aren't necessarily having their samples accepted by Sykes.

 

[RedRatSnake]

I hope Sykes's study will be somewhat definitive, either put a nail in potential bigfoot's coffin or at least show there is something out there, either result is fine with me. I've given up on Ketchum over a year ago.

I hope it would be an end all, but i am sure he will somehow be thrown under the bus if his findings are not pro BF, but still i am up for anything that can come to a conclusion sooner than later.

Tim

 

[rockinkt]

What I am hearing about Sykes is that those that think they have definitive evidence based on Ketchum's results aren't necessarily having their samples accepted by Sykes.

Hopefully they take that as a lesson on how much diligence is necessary when collecting, recording and safeguarding the integrity of any evidence they may find.
Unfortunately, they probably will just claim that science is picking on them because science refuses to change its protocols for claims of huge, non-existent, bi-pedal creatures roaming North America.

 

[River]

I predict something like this. "He refused to test our samples! Bigfoot is still out there! REally!!!!11oneoneonE"

 

[Jodie]

It would be hard for me to judge since I do not know the back story on any of the samples submitted in Ketchum's study other than Justin Smeja's.

I think it would be hard for footers to claim anything of the sort since Dr. Sykes has an established reputation in his field unlike Dr. Ketchum who specialized in veterinary medicine and establishing parentage for thoroughbreds.