Moderated Bigfoot- Anybody Seen one?

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At the very end of Part 2...

...raising the hoax hypothesis on the basis of one, or two, or three hoaxers...
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LOL. Is Dr. John really trying to trick us into thinking there are so few Bigfoot hoaxers within the totality of the "phenomenon"?
 
A good number of (most) Bigfoot believers agree that the majority of documented Bigfoot encounter reports are either hoaxes or misidentifications. Numbers are sometimes cited as being that 80-90% of reports are wrong in this way (nevermind Bindernagel's "one, two or three" hoaxers). But they say they can't believe that all of them are wrong - therefore at least some of the sightings are correct and Bigfoot really does exist.

But isn't this like saying "we feel that the world can contain 4000 people lying or being wrong about seeing Bigfoot, but we do not feel that the world can contain 6000 such people"? Is that what they mean? That there is some sort of natural limit to the number of different people telling lies or making errors?
 
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"One, two or three hoaxers"?

Hmmm... Lets see...

Marx, Freeman, Biscardi, Wallace, Creekfreak, Bulletmaker, the Georgia Boyz, all those youtubies, the folks from those sound records...

Nope. More. Much more.
 
Correa Neto said:
"One, two or three hoaxers"?

Hmmm... Lets see...

Marx, Freeman, Biscardi, Wallace, Creekfreak, Bulletmaker, the Georgia Boyz, all those youtubies, the folks from those sound records...

Nope. More. Much more.
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specify which sound records, my bad if I missed something I havent followed this thread in a while
 
Yes. Both, based on the available data, are hoaxes. I don't know if some of the defenders of these sounds are or not involved I'm the making of the hoaxes or are even actually aware they are frauds.
So, Mikeyx, please, let's not start another derail related to bigfootery infights, OK?

This put, the point is that hoaxes are not restricted to a few people "outside" bigfootery, they are entangled within bigfootery inner circles. Reality is quite different form what top footers try to sell.
 
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AlaskaBushPilot said:
Very interesting, and it would be nice to know about the background of that film. It doesn't say much on the youtube blurb. Do you have a link to anything that describes the story behind it? Anyone else know?
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I don't know much about it at all. You can see John Green and I think Rene Dahinden is operating the camera. Coincidentally, just today a person is asking about it over on BFF. Their questions already contain some info on the scenes.

Grazhopprr on BFF said:
These are lifted from film alledgedly shot by Rene up on Blue Creek Mtn. and Bluff Creek. In his books, John says he made 2 trips to the Blue Creek area, with dog handlers. On the first trip, he took Harold McCollough and the dog. Al Hodgson says he picked up John, in his station wagon, with his son, and took them up to Blue Creek Mtn, but on which trip? John says he had just gotten back home, when he got another call from Bud Ryersons wife, about more tracks, so he went back, this time with Rene, Dale Moffitt as the dog handler, and alledgely, the pilot of the plane. Did Al Hodgson pick them up at the airport twice, or just once, and which time, the first or second?...
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William Parcher said:
I don't know much about it at all. You can see John Green and I think Rene Dahinden is operating the camera. Coincidentally, just today a person is asking about it over on BFF. Their questions already contain some info on the scenes.
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The call to Green actually was made by Bud Ryerson, Monday morning, August 28, according to John Green. Green had met his wife ( but not Bud) the previous week while in the area to see the previous set of tracks, which had been about 5 miles south of the current set. Mrs. Ryerson told Bud of Green's request, and Ryerson called Green using a radiotelephone, which could have been "overheard". So he used the code, "What you are looking for is here." Green and several others arrived in Orleans by plane that evening. Don Abbott came the next evening, and other scientists came a day or two after that. They also found tracks on a sandbar down on Bluff Creek. (in another place, Green said the Patterson Gimlin film was shot only a few hundred yards from these latter tracks.) See Green, Bigfoot: on the track of the Sasquatch, p. 64 From this account, I assume that the Green expedition lasted about 4 days. So Hodgson probably called Patterson on about Friday, September 1.
 
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Correa Neto said:
Yes. Both, based on the available data, are hoaxes. I don't know if some of the defenders of these sounds are or not involved I'm the making of the hoaxes or are even actually aware they are frauds.
So, Mikeyx, please, let's not start another derail related to bigfootery infights, OK?

This put, the point is that hoaxes are not restricted to a few people "outside" bigfootery, they are entangled within bigfootery inner circles. Reality is quite different form what top footers try to sell.
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I just asked a question, and at least agree the Michigan situation as a whole is most likely a hoax.
 
Remember the story of the psychologist Dr. Matthew Johnson who in Oregon in 2000 with his family saw a Bigfoot while he (Matt) was pooping in the woods? Well, he recently saw another Bigfoot and actually touched it. He pulled its finger.

On the trail of Bigfoot

The first time Matthew Johnson spotted Bigfoot, the Grants Pass psychologist was answering nature's call on a hillside near Oregon Caves National Monument in summer of 2000.

The last time the 6-foot-9, 300-plus-pound man made contact with a Sasquatch was just a few months ago, he said. And he even pulled the hairy beast's finger.

We're keeping the location a secret," he said, adding the area is bordered by federal land and is near a pond where they have found bedding areas and tracks of a "Bigfoot family group" consisting of an adult male, adult female and an adolescent, he said. Johnson can tell Bigfoot family relations by the size of their footprints and the bedding areas, he said. "One print was 22 inches long, nine inches at the toes and five inches wide at the heel," he said.

Johnson was just drifting off to sleep when Bigfoot poked Johnson's shoulder through the tent wall that night a few months ago, he said. On the third poke, Johnson grabbed the creature's finger and gave the digit, which he described as "a fat cigar," a good pull, he said. "I bent it to see if it was jointed," Johnson said. "I wanted to know if he was poking me with his finger or a stick."
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22 inch footprints. Whoa! Is this Doctor a crackpot?

BFRO report from 2000.
 
HarryHenderson said:
Now that's a Bigfoot True Believer™ speaking there. I'm sorry, but the 'Michigan situation' IS/WAS a hoax. <edit>

ETA: I agree GT. I mistakenly thought I was being funny.
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The ignoring of even the possibility of a monkey suit in the mix still floors me.
 
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