kitakaze said:
I'm interested in the anonymous person Scott referred to as saying they have come close to replicating the PGF with 60's tech.
I suspect the man he's referring to is Dfoot.
I have mentioned before that Bill Munns and I agreed to cooperate on his recreation of the suit and possibly feature it in WWB.
I can understand using Morris, but why Munns? The Munns Report isn't worth discussing on the show, but a Munns suit is? If you want a recreation, he's the wrong guy to go to. This has nothing to do with his behavior or views regarding the PGF, it's a simple matter of his abilities. Take a look at his recreation of the "Creature from the Black Lagoon." It's nice, but it isn't a perfect match...which is exactly what footers will demand of a Patty recreation.
I suspect that when such a recreation is provided, many proponents will move goalposts by then making arguments like "Just because you can recreate something doesn't mean that the original isn't real" or "Don't you think it's odd that it took this long to recreate Patty?"
I think it's somewhat interesting that Brian says he doesn't care if you prove the Roger had a Bigfoot suit. I think it matters very much because of not only the PGF but the shennanigans happening around Yakima such as at Jerry Merritt's. The suit Jerry described sounded somewhat like the PGF suit. I understand what Brian means, though. He says he knows BF researchers with suits.
This reminds me of the BFRO's argument that Roger having a suit meant nothing since it was probably for his Bigfoot documentary (which tend to require such suits).
It has to be undoubtedly the suit. And if you did find a suit that would be highly likely to be the suit used in the PGF, what kind of shape is it going to be after 43 years. Very easily it could be in horrible shape, right?
It's also possible that the suit decayed into an unrecognizable mess or was destroyed ages ago. And as shown by LAL, finding a suit that's a dead-ringer for Patty in Patterson's possession isn't enough to prove a hoax for some footers.
We have at least one person that I can think of that thinks all Patterson, Gimlin, and Heironimus as well were lying - LTC8K6. If there is someone else, it's early in the morning and I have forgotten them in my fog.
That would be me.
HarryHenderson said:
I do think it all depends on who exactly you're trying to convince. I doubt it's the people that never believed there was a Bigfoot as you're not going to find any converts there regardless. If it's the fence sitters, well, they're going to require a really good reason to take your side and a 'more precise testimonial' (for example) or two favoring BH, from who knows who, more than likely won't be enough. And if it's die-hard 'believers', like you said above, you're gonna need the royal flush. So why not try to draw a royal flush? Sure it's daunting, but it always wins.
While I don't agree with Harry's "try to force a confession out of Gimlin" idea from the other thread, I agree that a royal flush is the best way to go about it. But would would make for a royal flush, given the unlikelyness of any footage or photos of someone partly inside the Patty existing? I doubt you'll find the suit, but if you did find a Patty-looking one that could be verified as being from the 60's and had DNA or fingerprints from Patterson, Gimlin, and Bob H. (or just one of the two hoaxers and Bob H.), you'd have a slam dunk. But let's come up with some more reasonable ideas:
Morris: Get feet from (or the molds used to make the feet used in) Morris' 60's gorilla costumes. After obtaining outside verification that they are unaltered originals, make tracks/casts/etc. with them and compare to Patty's. If they match, Patty's a definite hoax to all but the most deluded proponent and Morris was indeed involved in it. That said, I do expect some footers to try arguing that it's just a coincidence and that all feet look more or less alike.
Bob H: Some physical evidence confirming he was out from work the time he said he was out doing the hoax would be a nice start, but not concrete proof. Physical evidence of his being in any of the areas he claimed to have been while driving to/from Bluff Creek, on the other hand...
How's that possible smoking gun regarding Bob H. that you mentioned a few months ago coming along?
Romney never confessed to wearing the suit. He said he didn't wear it when somebody accused him of being Patty.
