CreatureSeeker
Thinker
- Joined
- Nov 23, 2009
- Messages
- 148
yes, that's true. the evidence for the existence of these creatures is inconclusive.
- Status
yes, that's true. the evidence for the existence of these creatures is inconclusive.
William Parcher
Show me the monkey!
- Joined
- Jul 26, 2005
- Messages
- 27,496
If Bigfoot exists, then you can pretty much be assured that it has killed or injured people. If not, then it would be the only large NA mammal that has not done this. Even strict herbivores like deer, elk, etc have done serious harm to people. A 9-foot ape thing is going to do damage from time to time, especially when defending offspring.
In the encounter that John described, he feels that the Bigfoot didn't know he was there in the deer stand. Yet in spite of this John was overcome with nausea and electric jolt pains through his internal organs. It sent him to the floor uncontrollably. Another person may have gone into cardiac arrest or shock. That's the danger of Bigfoot when they aren't even trying to hurt a person. Now imagine an encounter like that in mountainous terrain. Collapsing to the ground could cause a person to tumble to their death. It would certainly put them at the mercy of the giant ape creature because the ability to flee is lost. John has recalled his experience in those kinds of terms.
His encounter story gives good indication that Bigfoot is very dangerous. It was pretty stupid for him not to contact the police or rangers. I'm hopeful that there are not many people out there with such an underdeveloped sense of caring as John displayed back in 1982.
In the encounter that John described, he feels that the Bigfoot didn't know he was there in the deer stand. Yet in spite of this John was overcome with nausea and electric jolt pains through his internal organs. It sent him to the floor uncontrollably. Another person may have gone into cardiac arrest or shock. That's the danger of Bigfoot when they aren't even trying to hurt a person. Now imagine an encounter like that in mountainous terrain. Collapsing to the ground could cause a person to tumble to their death. It would certainly put them at the mercy of the giant ape creature because the ability to flee is lost. John has recalled his experience in those kinds of terms.
His encounter story gives good indication that Bigfoot is very dangerous. It was pretty stupid for him not to contact the police or rangers. I'm hopeful that there are not many people out there with such an underdeveloped sense of caring as John displayed back in 1982.
kitakaze
Resident DJ/NSA Supermole
So what you are then saying is that while Bigfoot's existence has not been proven, there is good reason to think it may exist. Also, we do not have a living sasquatch to observe and therefore can not rule out that the reports of aggression and violence towards humans and human pets and livestock are not in fact accurate accounts of the animal's behaviour.
Oops for you. That didn't quite turn out the way you might have liked.
Yeah, that's simple enough. Currently, available evidence indicates that Bigfoot is a myth and functions just as we would expect for a social construct. However, if we lower our standards of evidence, we can pass off amorphous gobbledy-gook about the likelihood of the existence of Bigfoots, aliens, and dinosaurs.
"Inconclusive" - the crack of fortean addiction.
CreatureSeeker
Thinker
- Joined
- Nov 23, 2009
- Messages
- 148
Pure supposition on your part, but you are entitled to your *opinions*.
You are assuming that WGBH's reaction has some causality with his sighting. We don't know if that was the case.
Your conclusions about the "danger threat" posed by a "bigfoot" does not logically follow. There has been no causality established between WGBH's reaction and his sighting.
kitakaze
Resident DJ/NSA Supermole
I often hike in areas of bear and cougar activity. The expected etiqutte for hikers and other outdoors enthusiasts is to place a written notice in a prominent area, such as a parking area, of when and where a bear or cougar was sighted. It's a part of the whole let's-not-get-eaten culture.
Mama bear with cubs seen on east side of lake Tuseday, December 20th at about 2pm. Be on alert.
Around the Pasquotank River area, there should be signs up...
Bigfoots in area. Do not hike alone. Infrablast kits advised.
The American and Canadian goverments make efforts to protect their respective citizens from the dangers of bears, wolves, cougars, moose, etc. Why do they not address the issue of one of the biggest animals with a greater range than any other of those animals?
Last edited:
CreatureSeeker
Thinker
- Joined
- Nov 23, 2009
- Messages
- 148
Nice try. those are *your* words, not mine. My words were that we neither have a type specimen nor conclusive evidence about the behavior of any bipedal primate thought to inhabit North America.
If that's your convoluted way of saying that the evidence is inconclusive, I agree.
CreatureSeeker
Thinker
- Joined
- Nov 23, 2009
- Messages
- 148
LOL! The Park Service is now busily making up signs for hikers. "DO NOT FEED UNICORNS"
kitakaze
Resident DJ/NSA Supermole
Oh, I'm sorry. Is there no good reason to think Bigfoot might exist? Is that what you are saying? I mean, there's a good reason to think Bigfoot might be real or not. Are we talking inconclusive like cougars in extirpated areas or inconclusive like dogmen? Which is it, Bruce? We have neither a type specimen nor conclusive evidence for dogmen in North America, and yet people keep claiming to see them. We have video and tracks and everything. Is it more reasonable to suppose that Bigfoot exists than it is for dogmen or what?
You apparently do think there is a good reason to think Bigfoot might exist. Enough so to join Bigfoot groups, conferences, and expeditions.
kitakaze
Resident DJ/NSA Supermole
The evidence for the existence of these creatures is inconclusive. It could have come from encounters with elasmotheriums. There are sightings and evidence. The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence...
Unicorn Evidence
Unicorn = inconclusive.
CreatureSeeker
Thinker
- Joined
- Nov 23, 2009
- Messages
- 148
Once again, the logic of your arguments does not follow. You and your fellow scoftics think that looking for answers is synonymous with believing. LOL!
CreatureSeeker
Thinker
- Joined
- Nov 23, 2009
- Messages
- 148
I totally agree.
kitakaze
Resident DJ/NSA Supermole
Large animals being dangerous is purely supposition? That's nice. That's some really good critical thinking you have going there. I know every other large mammal in North America has caused bodily injury to humans. I know apes attack people from time to time, often horribly. I know the most deadly animal in North America is the deer. Treating one large animal with the same caution as for every other large animal is baseless supposition. Good one.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. It highly suspicious the timing of events. Although known and proven phenomena points to nothing actually having been there at all, many people have related similar encounters with Bigfoot as John. Other footers talk to John about being blasted. If the reports of John and those similar are true, it would seem to indicate Bigfoots can take us down in such manner. John himself was showing us animals that use infrasound like elephants, etc.
It is absolutely logical to expect that of Bigfoot is real and lives all over North America, it is a major wildlife and safety concern.
RayG
Master Poster
If bigfoot exists, you're romanticizing him. Timothy Treadwell thought the bears he lived amongst were harmless and look what happened to him.
Anyone that claims any large wild animal is harmless is a fool, plain and simple.
Chimps are far smaller than a purported bigfoot. Do you think chimps pose no threat to life and limb? This guy found out first hand.
RayG
kitakaze
Resident DJ/NSA Supermole
I think it is you that is having the logic fail. I never said that going out and looking for Bigfoot categorically equates 100% belief that they are there to be found. You could look for unicorns, as well, and have no expectation to find anything. But why would you do that?
What I am saying is that when one spends significant time and resources looking for evidence of Bigfoot, it is reasonable to expect that the person thinks there is at least some significant chance of finding it. I am saying that Bruce of Sasquatch Watch places significant credibility into the possibility of Bigfoot being real.
You say you are a skeptic, but you are not any kind of skeptic at all. Skeptics do not waffle and hide behind words like "inconclusive" to conceal their credulity.
kitakaze
Resident DJ/NSA Supermole
That would be the horribly I was mentioning. That was the guy in California, right? Didn't the chimps try and tear his nuts off and gnaw his foot off at the ankle? Mmm... delicious. Chimps are cute and playful and HFS, the monkey is eating my face!
If Bigfoots were real and living across North America, at many points in our history we would have horrible incidences of when good Bigfoots go bad and get ape shizzle on somebody. Bigfoot tore my arm off and rained blows upon me with it while I geysered a fountain blood everywhere. That would not be a surprise. Bear ate me up, chimp tore my junk off, Bigfoot beat me with my severed arm. These things happen in Wild America.
kitakaze
Resident DJ/NSA Supermole
Very good. Now how about the bolded part in reference to the unicorns?
HarryHenderson
Graduate Poster
That's so ******* funny!Correa Neto
Philosopher
- Joined
- Aug 4, 2003
- Messages
- 8,548
The poor pigs! The poor pigs!
Don't forget the poor pigs!
Oh, the horror of being tossed away by a bigfoot!
Not to mention the garlic breath...
Drewbot
Philosopher
- Joined
- Sep 13, 2007
- Messages
- 7,719
Creature Seeker- do sighting reports carry any weight regarding the idea that Bigfoot exists?
If we are to include sighting reports as evidence of Bigfoot's existence...
I shudder to think what would have happened to Albert Ostman had he not been fortunate enough to be kidnapped by a Bigfoot Jonesin-for-some-Nicotine.
He was probably about to be broiled with fava beans, and Juniper Liqueur.
There was some sentiment at BFF for a while that the Mt. Hood hikers were stolen by BF.
Also, if we assume BF, like bears, needs 10,000+ calories/day, and in the fall, must increase this, to prepare for winter, would not a human, provide an easily delivered boost to that calorie count? Seriously, a human would be much easier to catch than a whitetail deer, or a wild hog. Also, a human would probably crumple with fear as the beast chased it down, allowing the creature to remove his nutritious liver without risk of an ankle sprain, or having to toss the hog against a tree to incapacitate it.
Or perhaps we are to assume that this boss of the woods is empathetic with humans, does not consider them prey, and actually protects us from afar when we are trundling through his domain. Which of course brings us to the Oklahoma boys, and the pedophile, Driver operator said the beast jumped on his truck bed, and stole his propane tanks, (not something a peaceful beast would do, especially if the propane was used to keep the human's home warm in the winter), and the pedophile who claimed he was molested by Bigfoot in defense of his charge. This is henceforth to be referred to as "The Molested-By-Bigfoot Defense"
If we are to include sighting reports as evidence of Bigfoot's existence...
I shudder to think what would have happened to Albert Ostman had he not been fortunate enough to be kidnapped by a Bigfoot Jonesin-for-some-Nicotine.
He was probably about to be broiled with fava beans, and Juniper Liqueur.
There was some sentiment at BFF for a while that the Mt. Hood hikers were stolen by BF.
Also, if we assume BF, like bears, needs 10,000+ calories/day, and in the fall, must increase this, to prepare for winter, would not a human, provide an easily delivered boost to that calorie count? Seriously, a human would be much easier to catch than a whitetail deer, or a wild hog. Also, a human would probably crumple with fear as the beast chased it down, allowing the creature to remove his nutritious liver without risk of an ankle sprain, or having to toss the hog against a tree to incapacitate it.
Or perhaps we are to assume that this boss of the woods is empathetic with humans, does not consider them prey, and actually protects us from afar when we are trundling through his domain. Which of course brings us to the Oklahoma boys, and the pedophile, Driver operator said the beast jumped on his truck bed, and stole his propane tanks, (not something a peaceful beast would do, especially if the propane was used to keep the human's home warm in the winter), and the pedophile who claimed he was molested by Bigfoot in defense of his charge. This is henceforth to be referred to as "The Molested-By-Bigfoot Defense"
Spektator
Is that right?
And let's not forget the passage in Theodore Roosevelt's The Wilderness Hunter that relays an account by a man named Bauman of a creature that horrifically mauled and killed Bauman's partner. Bigfoot enthusiasts insist that must have been a bigfoot attack.
Though some of us are not convinced of that.....
- Status