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They have also tried to get me to admit I hallucinated what I heard, smelled and stared at for 5 mins. Not going to happen.

I don't think anyone tried to make you admit you had a hallucination. I myself only wanted you to give it serious consideration that you had a sleep-related experience. That you don't is unfortunate, considering that you said you had been disoriented and very groggy at the time.
 
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Amateur anthropologist huh? I guess you want to dabble in amateur psychology also? Let's discuss this shall we? What is it that made you think I would imagine a Bigfoot?

This.

Highlights...

"Then I felt like a static electricity shock, it felt like, and kind of.. have you been shocked before, it’s like your just frozen? All the hairs on your body are standing up, and you’re just stuck there, I guess."

"And then I started having some kind of muscle spasms or nervous spasms, really bad, and I kind of slumped down on the floor of the deer stand, and curled up in the fetal position."

"I was really groggy and kind of getting myself back together. I sat back up, and was like, what the hell was that? And I started to look out the deer stand again. Then all the sudden I started hearing something, like footsteps, like branches breaking, like leaves crunching, like bushes rattling. Like something was moving through the forest."
 
May I try ?


Because there are no Bigfoots ?


That said, mis-identification isn't necessarily imagination ...

OK Greg, I will play along with your there are no real Bigfoot. Why a Bigfoot? I Barely knew what a Bigfoot was. BTW, the word Bigfoot is the same singular or plural.
 
This.

Highlights...

"Then I felt like a static electricity shock, it felt like, and kind of.. have you been shocked before, it’s like your just frozen? All the hairs on your body are standing up, and you’re just stuck there, I guess."

"And then I started having some kind of muscle spasms or nervous spasms, really bad, and I kind of slumped down on the floor of the deer stand, and curled up in the fetal position."

"I was really groggy and kind of getting myself back together. I sat back up, and was like, what the hell was that? And I started to look out the deer stand again. Then all the sudden I started hearing something, like footsteps, like branches breaking, like leaves crunching, like bushes rattling. Like something was moving through the forest."

Yes, something walloped me physically before the sighting. What it was, I have no idea.

Kit you are still not understanding the question I posed. I apologize for not being clear. The question is not HOW I could see a Bigfoot. What I mean is WHY a Bigfoot? Why not an alien, or werewolf or vampire?
 
Yes, something walloped me physically before the sighting. What it was, I have no idea.

Kit you are still not understanding the question I posed. I apologize for not being clear. The question is not HOW I could see a Bigfoot. What I mean is WHY a Bigfoot? Why not an alien, or werewolf or vampire?

Why this in your sleep-related experience and not a vampire, alien, or werewolf?

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Does it matter? Does it somehow affect the major indicators of a sleep-related experience? A 9x6 ft monster ape is too weird for the mind to come up with? Why is that you think because something your mind came up with was not a Hollywood movie monster, it makes your mind coming up with it unlikely?

John, there doesn't need to be any stimulus at all. OTOH, you could have gotten a minor stimulus and completely not remembered it. The mind does these things. It was 1982. The fact is that as you describe the events, there is very good reason to think that what you were experiencing was inside you and not outside.
 
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Until I went in the Army, all Robin would do is deer hunt or bird hunt in open field and never went without an arsenal. He refused to even discuss it. ( even with me)

I moved and havent seen or heard from him since I left so cant say.


But you were never in the Army. Your Army camp Bigfoot sighting is a complete fabrication. The duck hunting Bigfoot sighting is a complete fabrication too.

If anyone wants to know what entirely fictitious Bigfoot encounters sound like, look like, smell like, and feel like - they can check out your posts here and on the BFF. How can you tell when somebody is lying about their Bigfoot encounter? Check out Longtabber PE for your example. Uh oh. Pretty tough to distinguish from a real Bigfoot encounter, eh?

No, not difficult to distinguish at all, and it never was difficult. There are no real Bigfoot encounters. You see... Bigfoot does not exist.
 
Kitakaze, hello. I have been fighting with myself for several days about taking part in this discussion. Two reasons...one, anyone who claims to see this...thing...is thought of as nuts, and two, what my husband and I saw doesn't match the descriptions of most other sightings. I'm not a bigfoot researcher. But we did see something. The frustrating part, for me, is that I really don't have a lot to say about it, so I'm going to follow your questions that you asked of someone else to get started.

1) Where did your sighting occur? What province or state and county?

Arkansas, Lee County (possibly St. Francis just before hitting Lee...the area was unfamiliar to us...but it was before we'd come into Marianna).

2) What time of night was it? What year was it? About what date was it?

2006, December, 22nd or 23rd? Just a few days before Christmas, about 7ish pm (close to 7:30)

3) Where were you coming from?

My husband and I were travelling to my sisters new home in Arkansas from our home in Kentucky. We came across the Mississippi on 40 and then turned onto 79 (? I'm pretty sure that's the road) headed toward Marianna. My husband and I weren't married then, but my sister had been in the hospital and was being released that evening and so he accompanied me for a quick trip to help her with some Christmas things.

4) Please describe in detail the creature you say you saw.

What both of us saw at the same time was...something, on two legs, running toward us in the opposite lane. Our headlights were on...it wasn't late, but it was dark due to the time of year. It was covered in longish (but not excessively long) hair, and when it passed us in the opposite lane, it appeared to be only a bit taller than the cab of our truck (stock F150, '97 model). I would guesstimate about 7', maybe a few inches taller. It was hard to judge its height, because it was running with a kind of forward slant and didn't appear to have a neck. Neither of us saw a pointed head, either...just a plain old head covered in hair (I'm sure it *had* a neck, but it wasn't visible to us). It had arms longer than a human that swung down at its sides as it ran, not bent at the elbow like a person would run. We did not see any definite facial features, but...it simply wasn't "massive" as most reports would indicate. We have a few friends that are close to 7' in height, and aside from all the hair, this thing didn't appear to be proportioned much differently than a person. The only thing that appeared much different was the lack of a neck, which kind of gave it a squater appearance. It just wasn't "massive" though. We couldn't even determine the color really, it happened so quickly. It just looked a dirty brownish grayish color.

5) You described yourself as a Bigfoot researcher. Do you belong to any Bigfoot enthusiast organization? if so, which one?

Not a bigfoot researcher. I did join another website about a year later but made only a few posts before I realized that what other people were seeing and describing didn't at all seem like the thing we saw. There wasn't anything spiritual or paranormal or anything like that about it. Didn't feel any psychic connection or real kinship, the only emotion on my part was immediate fear and on husband's part was a desire to turn around and see if we could get a better look (which I refused to do...it scared me).

6) In what province or state and county do you normally do you search for Bigfoot?
We don't, and I don't think I want to, though my husband from time to time mentions that he'd like to see "it" again. Not me.

Honestly? It was just shocking. It seemed to not even notice us, our vehicle, our lights...didn't turn its head, nothing. It just kept running, like most other animals would probably do (except deer, which seem to like to stop in the middle of the road).

I do not know, nor does my husband, and we've discussed this a few times, what it was. If it was a "bigfoot", it looked nothing like the illustrations I have seen. Someone might be tempted to say it was a "juvenile" bigfoot, but...honestly, I don't know how anyone could determine that, and even if it was...it did not appear that it would have grown into anything almost as wide as it was tall.

That's a rather dull sighting. I don't know what it was. My husband doesn't know what it was. He was angry with me for not wanting to try to get another look at it though, until he realized that I really was scared. I don't have any other information to give.

The area was rural (maybe someone from Arkansas knows the road I'm talking about...it was the only time I've been on it and we were both sure we were lost because there simply wasn't any traffic...we came home a different way, down through West Helena, I think it was, past Lexa, where she now lives). There were fields, some what appeared to be abandoned houses, the trees were actually pretty far back from the road. I'm not sure if the fields were cotton or bean, but I remember seeing one of those small signs indicating they may have been corporate farms? I'm not sure about that, but when I say farms, I don't mean with barns and houses and all that, I mean mainly just fields with a dirt access road and gate.

I also admit that I do not know what types of wildlife are normally found in that area. I don't know if "bigfoot" is real or not, but that thing was, whatever it was.
 
Why this in your sleep-related experience and not a vampire, alien, or werewolf?

Does it matter?

Absolutely


Does it somehow affect the major indicators of a sleep-related experience? A 9x6 ft monster ape is too weird for the mind to come up with?

What major indicators?


Why is that you think because something your mind came up with was not a Hollywood movie monster, it makes your mind coming up with it unlikely?

I am not that creative.


John, there doesn't need to be any stimulus at all. OTOH, you could have gotten a minor stimulus and completely not remembered it. The mind does these things. It was 1982. The fact is that as you describe the events, there is very good reason to think that what you were experiencing was inside you and not outside.

Not the case.
 
Sugarb, I just wanted to let you know that I'm taking a very good look at your post and will be getting deep into it. That looks to me to be one of the most interesting things I've heard in a long time.
 
Sugarb, I just wanted to let you know that I'm taking a very good look at your post and will be getting deep into it. That looks to me to be one of the most interesting things I've heard in a long time.

Kitakaze, if you do happen to find wildlife in that area that we could have possibly seen that would match that description, please do let me know.

I should probably also mention that before our encounter we had passed a prison of some kind, if that would help with the location in any way.
 
John, it would be really great if you could properly multi-quote. It's really hard to respond to the colored text in my quoted post thing. Thanks.

Does it matter?

Absolutely

How? In what way is it relevant? How does the relative uniqueness of what you might have considered Bigfoot to be rule out the intricacies of the human mind? Once again, you need no stimulus for your mind to make something up. I have seen crazy vivid things dreaming or in a dreamlike state that I have never seen ever in my life before. The mind can concoct some wild things. Also, as I already said, the stimulus could have been very minor and not remembered by you whenever it occured previous to your 1982 experience. It really seems that you don't want to take the problems of human memory and cognition into consideration.

Does it somehow affect the major indicators of a sleep-related experience? A 9x6 ft monster ape is too weird for the mind to come up with?

What major indicators?

Post #1422. I don't know how more clearly it could be spelled out. Feel like you can't move? Curled up in a fetal position? Really groggy? Yeah, that's a problem.

Why is that you think because something your mind came up with was not a Hollywood movie monster, it makes your mind coming up with it unlikely?

I am not that creative.

Your subjective opinion of how creative you are as a person has nothing at all to do with involuntary processes of the mind. You do know this, right?

John, there doesn't need to be any stimulus at all. OTOH, you could have gotten a minor stimulus and completely not remembered it. The mind does these things. It was 1982. The fact is that as you describe the events, there is very good reason to think that what you were experiencing was inside you and not outside.

Not the case.

This is a really offhand and vague refusal to discuss the details as presented. What's up with that? Was it not 1982? Did you not describe feeling like you had a static electric shock that froze you ? Did you not then describe having spasms and slumping to the floor and curling in a fetal position? Did you not describe felling really groggy and hearing what you perceived to be footsteps?

I have really good reasons to be thinking about an internal experience, but if you want to wave ot away, that's fine. I know what everone else will be thinking, though, and it's not I think he really did see a Bigfoot.
 
Kitakaze, if you do happen to find wildlife in that area that we could have possibly seen that would match that description, please do let me know.

I should probably also mention that before our encounter we had passed a prison of some kind, if that would help with the location in any way.

That's very helpful. Just from my first look at this, this is the most interesting account I've heard in a while. I will be sinking my teeth into this. First I will try to pinpoint the area and look at it on Google Earth. I will look for similar accounts in the area and look for possible matches. I will look at the wildlife of the area and see if anything could match. I will look for any activities that were happening at the time and the possibility that a person in a suit was to blame.

I will put your account under the best scrutiny I can come up with. Everything about your account demands it. I might not be making that post today, but definitely by sometime tomorrow.
 
I did join another website about a year later (2007) but made only a few posts before I realized that what other people were seeing and describing didn't at all seem like the thing we saw.


Please provide a link to that Bigfoot forum so that we can see what you wrote and what they said about it.
 
John, it would be really great if you could properly multi-quote. It's really hard to respond to the colored text in my quoted post thing. Thanks.



How? In what way is it relevant? How does the relative uniqueness of what you might have considered Bigfoot to be rule out the intricacies of the human mind? Once again, you need no stimulus for your mind to make something up. I have seen crazy vivid things dreaming or in a dreamlike state that I have never seen ever in my life before. The mind can concoct some wild things. Also, as I already said, the stimulus could have been very minor and not remembered by you whenever it occured previous to your 1982 experience. It really seems that you don't want to take the problems of human memory and cognition into consideration.



Post #1422. I don't know how more clearly it could be spelled out. Feel like you can't move? Curled up in a fetal position? Really groggy? Yeah, that's a problem.



Your subjective opinion of how creative you are as a person has nothing at all to do with involuntary processes of the mind. You do know this, right?



This is a really offhand and vague refusal to discuss the details as presented. What's up with that? Was it not 1982? Did you not describe feeling like you had a static electric shock that froze you ? Did you not then describe having spasms and slumping to the floor and curling in a fetal position? Did you not describe felling really groggy and hearing what you perceived to be footsteps?

I have really good reasons to be thinking about an internal experience, but if you want to wave to away, that's fine. I know what everone else will be thinking, though, and it's not I think he really did see a Bigfoot.

Yes, that is what I described it felt like because that is what happened to me.

I was not groggy when I heard something moving through the woods. The sounds started a few minutes after I sat back up.

I am fine with people not believing what I saw. Do you think I have a choice?
 
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The question is not HOW I could see a Bigfoot. What I mean is WHY a Bigfoot? Why not an alien, or werewolf or vampire?

I don't understand why you think there has to be a reason that you, or anyone, might hallucinate one specific image over another. Why does kitkaze sometimes hallucinate a demonic entity trying to strangle him in his bed? Why do people hallucinate short gray beings abducting them and/or performing odd medical experiments on them? Why have other JREF members seen any number of weird figures crossing the road as they drive late at night on lonely roads? Why did medieval nuns sometimes hallucinate that the devil was visiting them in their bed at night to suck the life out of them and/or rape them?

These are fascinating questions worthy of inquiry, but that there is a mystery involved does not point towards the objective reality of the object or personage that is being hallucinated.

Hallucination is a waking dream. You're not responsible for the imagery being projected from your subconscious during a dream; as I'm sure you well know, on any given night you might dream any number of bizarre events/characters/images that may or may not have any relationship to the people or events you've encountered in your waking life.

So it is with hallucination. There is no reason for the images being projected, so far as we know; what's important is simply that they occur.
 
Please provide a link to that Bigfoot forum so that we can see what you wrote and what they said about it.

William Parcher, hello. I'm not sure if, due to the warnings about the bigfoot thread participants, we're supposed to cross forums, so if it is okay with you I will pm you.
 
Please provide a link to that Bigfoot forum so that we can see what you wrote and what they said about it.

While waiting for that, here is what sugarb has said previously here. Here are the only prior two posts of sugarb's in which she mentions Bigfoot...

I don't really want to argue as to the existence of bigfoot (although I certainly don't dismiss it), however, there is a flaw in the argument about nearly impassable terrain/chasms being proof that it doesn't exist. Before rail and roads, certainly not only animals but people moved across that exact same terrain. Perhaps as folks moved West, they found bodies of other people at the bottom of those chasms, but I seriously, seriously doubt they found it littered with dead animals that just couldn't make the climb/leap. Not meaning to argue, I'm just sayin'...if a bigfoot does exist, I find it hard to believe it would be closer to human than animal, therefore, if I were considering the movement of a bigfoot across terrain, I'd think more in terms of animals or people pre-road and rail than in terms of how people generally migrate in the modern world.

This one from the roadkill thread is the most interesting to me...

No, I doubt that you are wrong at all, actually. :) I was kind of thinking in text, mainly. I realize that many sightings seem to be along roadways, for example. It's just that I tend to think that if bigfoot does exist, even with those sightings on roadways, it's more reasonable to assume they as a general rule wouldn't use the routes we would--or surely we'd have proof by now OF bigfoots existing. What I mean is, absence of "road kill" doesn't necessarily mean absence of bigfoot, although granted, "road kill" would certainly be something people determined to prove bigfoot's existence should look forward to.

That was Feb 2009. I'm confused as to why sugarb made such a specific reference to thinking Bigfoot's would often use roads when oh, BTW, I forgot to mention me and my husband saw Bigfoot in 2006 running towards us down the opposite lane of our truck. That would seem like a pertinent detail to mention.

Sugarb, why no mention then?
 
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