Moderated Bigfoot- Anybody Seen one?

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Ravenwood said:
They found all of these critters, but nary a sign of GI killing rock apes...
http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/science/09/26/mekong.species/
http://coombs.anu.edu.au/~vern/species.html
http://scorpion-files.blogspot.com/2009/08/new-heterometrus-species-from-vietnam.html
http://english.vietnamnet.vn/tech/2009/04/840704/
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.3161/150811008X414809
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This could be the tip of the iceberg. Parts of Vietnam, unlike North America, have not really been thoroughly explored yet. It is not unreasonable to expect a new species of small primate, such as the Orang Pendek, or perhaps a 5-6ft Yeren
 
I Am He said:
Would you please elaborate on "That's irrelevant."? You seem to insinuate you know quite a bit.



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What does my individual knowledge on the History of Vietnam. Many people know that Vietnam is remote, just as they know parts of South America and Africa are remote. There is no further Individual knowledge needed here. I have never claimed to know much about Vietnam, only that some parts of it are remote and unexplored
 
I had a talk with the old man tonight (he spent a while in Vietnam, living with with the hill tribes known as the Montagnards, as he likes to say "swapping lies, swatting flies & firing the odd shot or two") & he cannot recall them having any wildman legends or hearing of "rock apes" or anything like it. He said their big boogeyman was different forest spirits (non-corporeal & invisible critters that liked to make your life hell if you did not appease them) He also said that the big components of their religion seemed to center around dodrip (a nasty rice beer) & sacrificing animals from chickens to water buffalo, depending on how much you ticked the spirits off (as the size of the sacrifice grew, so did the amount of beer you had to give the shaman to appease the spirits...) I showed him the story about the rock apes & he swears that the closest thing he saw to that description were drunk marines on "I&I" in Saigon...
 
Ravenwood said:
I had a talk with the old man tonight (he spent a while in Vietnam, living with with the hill tribes known as the Montagnards, as he likes to say "swapping lies, swatting flies & firing the odd shot or two") & he cannot recall them having any wildman legends or hearing of "rock apes" or anything like it. He said their big boogeyman was different forest spirits (non-corporeal & invisible critters that liked to make your life hell if you did not appease them) He also said that the big components of their religion seemed to center around dodrip (a nasty rice beer) & sacrificing animals from chickens to water buffalo, depending on how much you ticked the spirits off (as the size of the sacrifice grew, so did the amount of beer you had to give the shaman to appease the spirits...) I showed him the story about the rock apes & he swears that the closest thing he saw to that description were drunk marines on "I&I" in Saigon...
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Interesting anecdote. Do you know if any of his other companions can corroborate his account?
 
makaya325 said:
Interesting anecdote. Do you know if any of his other companions can corroborate his account?
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Flipside, can anyone find any Vietnamese myths or legends regarding a bigfoot/yeti type of creature. A quick Google doesn't cough up anything interesting.

So at the moment, we have
a. No mythology in the country on Rock Apes or similar
b. a native of the country that confirms to a Westerner that no such mythology exists
c. unconfirmed anecdotes from GIs in an unfamiliar country, whilst underfire.
d. no bodies, photos, hair samples or footprints from the stories in c.

In my opinion, anecdote b doen't require much corroboration when in the context of "fact" a, whereas c and d are - well, just stories...
 
Flipside, can anyone find any Vietnamese myths or legends regarding a bigfoot/yeti type of creature. A quick Google doesn't cough up anything interesting.
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Not everything is found on the Internet. Sometimes, it requires actually talking to the people

So at the moment, we have

a. No mythology in the country on Rock Apes or similar
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According to what? One source?

b. a native of the country that confirms to a Westerner that no such mythology exists
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batutut

In his 2001 Ballantine book Very Crazy G.I. - Strange but True Stories of the Vietnam War, veteran Kregg P.J. Jorgenson relates a sighting of such a creature by a team of LRRPs. The men refer to it as a "Rock Ape" reporting it as being small in stature, about 5 feet tall, and having a reddish tinge to its fur.[6]
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A professor Tran Hong Viet of Pedagogic University of Hanoi, a researcher of Người Rừng, reported in 1982 finding similar footprints to those of MacKinnon in 1970, measuring 28x16 cm., of which he made casts.[7] He had been making an extensive post-war inventory of natural resources, and while collecting specimens near Chu Mo Ray in Sa Thay District, he came across the prints. A photo of the cast of the print was later published by Fortean News of the World (Japan Fortean Information Society).[8]
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Explain that

c. unconfirmed anecdotes from GIs in an unfamiliar country, whilst underfire.
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Ok, but you consider a doubters anecdote? Hypocrite

d. no bodies, photos, hair samples or footprints from the stories in c.
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Hey, we are not talking about looking in Time square. No, we are talking about the remote jungles of Vietnam

In my opinion, anecdote b doen't require much corroboration
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Oh yes it does, since there have been sightings of the creature in Vietnam
 
Also, take a look at this

http://coombs.anu.edu.au/~vern/wildman.html

Reports of 'wildman' vary from large to small, with body hair from grey to brown or black and may be alone or with others. But always they are said to walk bipedally. They go by many names among highlands minority people, most are terms of respect. The Vietnamese name is Nguoi Rung - "Forest People". This is the direct equivalent of the name for an ape we do know from Indonesia, the Orang Utan. The minority people of Kontum are certain that the forest people existed in their forests in the very recent past. They differentiate their forest people from forest spirits or genies, some of which they also describe as hairy bipeds. Mr Vu Ngoc Thanh visiting areas near the Laotian border, discovered another local term 'Khi Trau, literally 'buffalo monkey' or 'big monkey'
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captain koolaid said:
Never heard about the killer monster ape squads. But then, I never asked. All for the best, really. If they told me, they probably would have had to kill me.
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I knew secrets so secret that i would have to kill myself for just knowing them.:eye-poppi
 
makaya325 said:
What does my individual knowledge on the History of Vietnam.
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If you don't know, little boy, then you'll never get it. The rest of the BS I snipped because it's nothing more then a waste of my reading time as is with the rest of what you've been posting about this subject. You are just not making any sense.



I Am He
 
It's all true. Seriously.

Corroborated. Bam! Take that scoftic losers...

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makaya325 said:
Not everything is found on the Internet. Sometimes, it requires actually talking to the people
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The Vietnamese folklore history is not totally verbal, a simple Google on "Vietnam legend myth" is adequate for the moment to get an insight into their native myths and legends, just as has been done for native Americans. None of the links I found that outlined known Vietnamese myths and legends hinted at a jungle wildman or yeti equivalent.
So at the moment, we have

According to what? One source?
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What the www is now "one source"? It's exactly what it ISN'T. There are books as well as scans of articles, encyclopedia entries to be found out there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batutut

Explain that
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That is a link to a Vietnamese Bigfooter.

Quite irrelevant to the point you responded to.
Read it again - point b. local man says that Vietnamese do not have a mythology on wildmen/yetis.
b. a native of the country that confirms to a Westerner that no such mythology exists.
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Quoting modern Footer, sorry, cryptozoologists that "discovered" a footprint in 1970, is NOT discussing underlying myths and legends.

Explained.
Ok, but you consider a doubters anecdote? Hypocrite
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ad hom aside, how about replying to my post in context - which I actually spelled out later in my post.

To recap my points
a. there is not indication that bf is in Vietnamese mythology
b. anecdote from a discussion with a Vietnamese person who supports the evidence in statement a.
Hey, we are not talking about looking in Time square. No, we are talking about the remote jungles of Vietnam
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Them jungles aren't as remote as you'd like to believe and in comparison to the GNW, a tiny area.

The country is 3% the size of the USA and it's population density is 8 times that of the USA. Granted, this is not uniform throughout the entire area, but "remote" in this sense is subjective.

In my opinion, anecdote b doen't require much corroboration
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Oh yes it does, since there have been sightings of the creature in Vietnam
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Sightings of a creature has nothing to do with points a and b - that you and I can not find evidence of such a creature in Vietnamese mythology.

Take a deep breath and read the posts before responding in a knee-jerk fashion and missing the points being posted by others on the Forum.
 
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