Im sorry greg, but take a chill pill. I only experience this once in life.
Anyway, what seems to be the recent issue on the thread?
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Im sorry greg, but take a chill pill. I only experience this once in life.
Anyway, what seems to be the recent issue on the thread?
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Fair enough Kit, the correct ABS web site is.
http://americanbigfootsociety.com/
I do not know what goes on on the old web site. It probably just needs to be taken down by the owner.
http://americanbigfootsociety.com/
I do not know what goes on on the old web site. It probably just needs to be taken down by the owner.
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IYO, wgbh, what is the most reliable bigfoot site online?
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Makaya, what kind of Bigfoot info are you looking for? I like Bobbie Short's web site.
http://www.bigfootencounters.com/
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With Bill Munns on the board of advisors
I love this part
>>>Bill Munns brings to any investigation a critical eye for analyzing incidents and evidence where there may be questions of some fabricated hoax, as well as appraising any visual or photographic evidence for it's potential to provide useful analytical data for distinguishing something real from something fabricated.
And this
>>> further aid in an investigative effort, and may contribute investigative advice for those doing field investigations, on how they may record or document their investigations in a manner to facilitate later digital visualization analysis.
Bigfoot appears to be pretty safe now
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Longtabber,
In regards to your first "maybe" sighting:
1. Am I correct in assuming that "SC" stands for "South Carolina?" If so, I'm not so sure about your comment about the chance of the thing being a bear was remote (but, granted, you did say that bears did irregularly come into the area). I plugged ""south carolina" +bears coastal" into Google and found a few pages that seem to say (I've only skimmed them) that bears are more common in that area than one might think. However, I will note that a lot of the focus on these pages seems to be bears/encounters in recent times.
2. You mentioned that one of the details that kept you from fully accepting the idea that you encountered a bear were the side-by-side ice holes. This is a trackway consisting of bear prints overlaid enough to show how a quadrupedal animal's tracks can seem like those of a bipedal animal, but not overlaid enough to give the impression of a Bigfoot trackway. Is this anything like what you saw that day?
I won't touch the thickness issue since I don't know the thickness of the ice or how much a bear would have to weigh in order to make holes in it.
3. Your comments about the noise you heard are very interesting. It's been ages since I've listened to any of these, but here are some bear vocalization links I've gathered up.
Here are some elk and deer-related links, in case you're interested.
With the obvious exception of the zoo, were any of the bears in those cases being shot at or spooked by gun shots?
As for the second "maybe" encounter:
1. Were you (and any other witnesses) "level" (I hope I'm using the right term) with the moving object you saw? I ask because I recall that the subject of the Redwoods Bigfoot video was originally estimated to be over 8 feet tall, only for someone recreating the filming conditions in an RV found that the "Bigfoot" was actually much shorter than it appeared. If at all possible, I would like to see whether or not if a similar scenario occurred during your sighting.
2. You mentioned that the object was acting "animal like" and cited its pulling up of grass clumps as an example of this. You also opined that this would not be the behavior of a drunk person. I did a little Googling and did find an anecdotal claim (yeah, yeah...I know...) of someone doing that (the third listing from the top of the page). They were on their hands and knees, but they were still pulling up grass. Although it's far from being proof of drunken people doing that sort of thing, I thought it was at least worth noting.
3. You mentioned:
What if someone who was there with you was in on it and reported it back to the lead prankster sometime later?
4. This has nothing to do with whether or not Bigfoot was involved; I'm just curious about something: Why was no action taken if an unidentified person was spotted wandering around a military range? I know little to nothing about military protocol, but that would seem to be the sort of thing to arouse attention. Is there something I'm missing here?
I hope none of these come off as being rude or anything like that. I'm just curious and trying to see if I help you figure out what you saw.
In regards to your first "maybe" sighting:
1. Am I correct in assuming that "SC" stands for "South Carolina?" If so, I'm not so sure about your comment about the chance of the thing being a bear was remote (but, granted, you did say that bears did irregularly come into the area). I plugged ""south carolina" +bears coastal" into Google and found a few pages that seem to say (I've only skimmed them) that bears are more common in that area than one might think. However, I will note that a lot of the focus on these pages seems to be bears/encounters in recent times.
2. You mentioned that one of the details that kept you from fully accepting the idea that you encountered a bear were the side-by-side ice holes. This is a trackway consisting of bear prints overlaid enough to show how a quadrupedal animal's tracks can seem like those of a bipedal animal, but not overlaid enough to give the impression of a Bigfoot trackway. Is this anything like what you saw that day?
I won't touch the thickness issue since I don't know the thickness of the ice or how much a bear would have to weigh in order to make holes in it.
3. Your comments about the noise you heard are very interesting. It's been ages since I've listened to any of these, but here are some bear vocalization links I've gathered up.
Here are some elk and deer-related links, in case you're interested.
LONGTABBER PE said:
With the obvious exception of the zoo, were any of the bears in those cases being shot at or spooked by gun shots?
As for the second "maybe" encounter:
1. Were you (and any other witnesses) "level" (I hope I'm using the right term) with the moving object you saw? I ask because I recall that the subject of the Redwoods Bigfoot video was originally estimated to be over 8 feet tall, only for someone recreating the filming conditions in an RV found that the "Bigfoot" was actually much shorter than it appeared. If at all possible, I would like to see whether or not if a similar scenario occurred during your sighting.
2. You mentioned that the object was acting "animal like" and cited its pulling up of grass clumps as an example of this. You also opined that this would not be the behavior of a drunk person. I did a little Googling and did find an anecdotal claim (yeah, yeah...I know...) of someone doing that (the third listing from the top of the page). They were on their hands and knees, but they were still pulling up grass. Although it's far from being proof of drunken people doing that sort of thing, I thought it was at least worth noting.
3. You mentioned:
LONGTABBER PE said:
What if someone who was there with you was in on it and reported it back to the lead prankster sometime later?
4. This has nothing to do with whether or not Bigfoot was involved; I'm just curious about something: Why was no action taken if an unidentified person was spotted wandering around a military range? I know little to nothing about military protocol, but that would seem to be the sort of thing to arouse attention. Is there something I'm missing here?
I hope none of these come off as being rude or anything like that. I'm just curious and trying to see if I help you figure out what you saw.
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Gotta love their mission statement too. They're going to document the undocumented.
Wouldn't they first have to discover the undiscovered?
RayG
kitakaze
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Yes, and you guys at back-to-sleepy SFB can split your PGF Munns thread into a "whine about JREF skeptics" thread.
You're right. All my stuff about SFB/ABS/Melissa and friends is pretty OT. I don't feel particularly bad about it because whenever I try to discuss why you couldn't have had a sleep-related occurence or distorted memory we get about as far as "I saw what I saw". If there's any complaint, I could maybe try something lame and say "well didn't the ABS think they might have seen Bigfoot eyeshine?"
I know, not much finesse. What I find frustrating about situations like this is that I have a conflict between not wanting to be OT (even in a more open thread like this) and adding yet another Bigfoot thread to the pile while more than a few are active. With all the silliness that happened with Bullet Maker doing a lemming run off the face of Bigfootery, I've kind of been giving poor Darren Lee and the MABRC a break and Melissa and friends kookery have put the ABS in my sights, particularly with what a gong show the SFSP expedition was. May be I will start a thread similar to my MABRC threads and call it "American Bigfoot Society - The Mild Bunch." If I do, I expect you to do a good job handing it back to the "scoftics".
ETA: Heeey... wait a minute. Rob Gaudet is an ABS and MABRC member. He's another one of those exhibitionist youtube Bigfooters. I forgot about that:
http://americanbigfootsociety.weebly.com/abs-investigators.html
Rob's a riot:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bVu_z0M0ts
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>>>>I hope none of these come off as being rude or anything like that. I'm just curious and trying to see if I help you figure out what you saw
Not in the slightest, I've reviewed it many times myself over the years and still undecided
>>>Am I correct in assuming that "SC" stands for "South Carolina?"
Yep
>>>I'm not so sure about your comment about the chance of the thing being a bear was remote (but, granted, you did say that bears did irregularly come into the area).
Yeah, 2 or 3 have been killed in that exact area over the years so its not unheard of by any means. I suppose it depends on how one describes "remote" and the weight one puts on it. Its a fact we have a small bear population and once in a while one gets shot but I compare it to deer and the hunter ratio.
We have one of the longest deer seasons and higest bag limits in the US and deer hunting is like a "religion" ( there are plants here that literally shut down for opening day because of the call in rate so they call it a holiday) So, with that many hunters ( still and drives with dogs) in the field, to only hear about 1 bear every decade means they are pretty scarce.
>>>Is this anything like what you saw that day?
Cant see it due to bandwidth and internet restrictions in place here. Since I cant see it the description was "holes" similar to a walking path punched thru roughly 1-1.5 inches of ice. ( with a lot of broken sections) as well as hearing the punching while waiting for sun to rise
>>>I won't touch the thickness issue since I don't know the thickness of the ice or how much a bear would have to weigh in order to make holes in it.
Hardly a quantifiable metric but we walked with no cracking where we were at ( on a beaten path used for years even before i was born) but this was a swamp with sloughs,potholes and fed from the river. Some shaded, some not- some with running water- some not and the ground basically frozen. I wouldnt begin to try to make any kind of definitive estimate on uniform thickness.
>>>Your comments about the noise you heard are very interesting. It's been ages since I've listened to any of these, but
I've tried to rethink the sound many times over the years but it was so fleeting that it gets garbled even in my own mind so I would consider further attempts as unreliable out of the gate.
I know this from raising my birds that they often make "sounds" ( especially when we feed them) that arent commonly associated with their recorded sounds. I can easily see where something like a shotgun suddenly breaking the calm at the first of daybreak could spark a "unique" sound. I know cannon fire does here LOL.
>>>Were you (and any other witnesses) "level" (I hope I'm using the right term) with the moving object you saw? I ask because I recall that the subject of the Redwoods Bigfoot video was originally estimated to be over 8 feet tall, only for someone recreating the filming conditions in an RV found that the "Bigfoot" was actually much shorter than it appeared. If at all possible, I would like to see whether or not if a similar scenario occurred during your sighting.
We were very level in that case. Remember, this was a formal training class. Each student had to do a map recon, measure distances/elevation from possible inaccessable routes/ firing positions( for possible indirect fire if needed) and fill out range cards. They walked the range and all that during the day prior.
>>>You mentioned that the object was acting "animal like" and cited its pulling up of grass clumps as an example of this. You also opined that this would not be the behavior of a drunk person.
I meant that inclusively- not just that lone act. I dont rule a drunk out but for it to have been a drunk- he would have had to walk about 4 miles into the "back 40" of Lewis where the ranges were ( past range Control and the MP's and gates) ( no vehicles because headlights show up like lighthouses on NVG's and if we had seen that, we would have reported that to RC) and then amble several hundred meters down range. Just to amble for 20 odd minutes or so.
Again, possible but unlikely
>>>What if someone who was there with you was in on it and reported it back to the lead prankster sometime later?
Possible but I would expect a much higher level of prank from an SF soldier. I would also expect some kind of punchline. (I've seen some good ones and if a prank- this wasnt one of them)
Also, they would consider the level of these "trainees"- this was sniper qualification for soldiers ( E-4-E-7) who were tabbed either Ranger, SF or both and several on their way to Delta Selection. They were not E-nothings from basic on their first day in the Army and first bivouac. To waste something so mundane on that level of class would be rather insulting to the class and to the perps.
>>>This has nothing to do with whether or not Bigfoot was involved; I'm just curious about something: Why was no action taken if an unidentified person was spotted wandering around a military range? I know little to nothing about military protocol, but that would seem to be the sort of thing to arouse attention. Is there something I'm missing here?
Because just because someone isnt readily "identified" by one group training doesnt mean they arent authorized to be there. They could be another unit training, soldiers lost, civilians hunting(in authorized areas) people parking or any number of things.
Had they been making signals ( such as yelling/go to "white light"[ universal signal for some kind of trouble in training] or obvious things like driving a civilian vehicle, screwing or drinking or even talking loudly) then it would certainly be reported to RC who would notify the MP's.
Normally ( especially in night training ops) the unit in the field is informed of other units in the area doing their thing and their expected AO ( so hopefully you dont interfere with each others mission or make camp where vehicles might rumble thru) and we were as well. There were other units out there.
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Who made it? Who's the owner? I would like to know who the guy who swiped Bateman's art is. Why did he go from being the president (though he listed Melissa as president) to not being in the group?
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We all like Bobbie's site. Bobbie thinks P&G blasted Patty. I like that idea, too. It's avant garde.
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And this one
>>>an Advisory Board has been established to help guide the American Bigfoot Society with the latest in technology and scientific standards.
Chilcutt I can see. He brings legitimate relevant skills to the table even if his conclusions regarding BF dermals are questionable. I hope the Munns report isnt the jewel in their crown as an example of their scientific standards.
This one caught my eye too
>>>we hope to gather a database of REAL sightings and encounters
I'm certainly not anti Melissa and the ABS and I know what they are meaning and trying to say but would respectfully submit to them that they reword that one.
If they obtain even one "real" sighting- not only have they made the scientific record books but they will have trumped and basically put the whole lot of other BF orgs out of business.
I would use something like:
The ABS strives to maintain the highest standards of quality and accepted scientific legitimacy in our efforts and as a result the reports submitted for inclusion to our database are carefully screened according to our acceptance standards ( and post them somewhere) and individually investigated as is possible to ensure only the most reliable accounts are accepted for publication.
I would recommend wordsmithing this one too. A professional organization shouldnt begin a sentence in their mission statement with a preposition.
>>>By using methods tried by established sciences we hope to catalog this primate without the need to take the life of it.
Something like:
Our objective is to catalog and present evidence that moves to establish the factual existance of this elusive animal by the utilization of established and proven methods rather than the ultimate need to provide a physical specimen.
Aepervius
Non credunt, semper verificare
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If you need information about the ABS and it's workings feel free to contact the BOD. It is not my place to talk about such things as I am only a member and I have nothing to do with that.
kitakaze
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Yeah, Melissa is going to help me find out which person from her Bigfooter club swiped Robert Bateman's art...
*Miss Swan* John, you make a funny! You crazy! Oh, you make a me laugh!
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Yes, and you guys at back-to-sleepy SFB can split your PGF Munns thread into a "whine about JREF skeptics" thread.
You're right. All my stuff about SFB/ABS/Melissa and friends is pretty OT. I don't feel particularly bad about it because whenever I try to discuss why you couldn't have had a sleep-related occurence or distorted memory we get about as far as "I saw what I saw".
You and everyone here can discuss your opinions about my encounter all you want. I listen to all of them, but I am not required to subscribe to them.
If there's any complaint, I could maybe try something lame and say "well didn't the ABS think they might have seen Bigfoot eyeshine?"
The key word there is "might". Eyeshine is not proof. And we do not
submit it is such. You are confusing someone telling about a experience on a radio show as submitting it as evidence. Speaking of lame.
I know, not much finesse. What I find frustrating about situations like this is that I have a conflict between not wanting to be OT (even in a more open thread like this) and adding yet another Bigfoot thread to the pile while more than a few are active. With all the silliness that happened with Bullet Maker doing a lemming run off the face of Bigfootery, I've kind of been giving poor Darren Lee and the MABRC a break and Melissa and friends kookery have put the ABS in my sights, particularly with what a gong show the SFSP expedition was. May be I will start a thread similar to my MABRC threads and call it "American Bigfoot Society - The Mild Bunch." If I do, I expect you to do a good job handing it back to the "scoftics".
Kit one of the first things you and I ever spoke about regarding Bigfoot was Mr Bilby and his hoaxing. You do understand that most in this field never bought into anything he said or did, correct? He admitted hoaxing to me,
I posted it for all to see, and he is done and good riddence.
Please do not infer that the ABS has anything to do with hoaxing by comparing us to Bullet maker. That is really crossing a line. You know that none of us in the ABS will stand for hoaxing. You may continue your silly personal attacks on mself or the research techniques applied, but do not go there.
ETA: Heeey... wait a minute. Rob Gaudet is an ABS and MABRC member. He's another one of those exhibitionist youtube Bigfooters. I forgot about that:
http://americanbigfootsociety.weebly.com/abs-investigators.html
Rob's a riot:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bVu_z0M0ts
Great, now you want to make fun of a man that neither one of us know anything about.
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Yeah, Melissa is going to help me find out which person from her Bigfooter club swiped Robert Bateman's art...
*Miss Swan* John, you make a funny! You crazy! Oh, you make a me laugh!
Well, you throw them down the middle of the plate and I will hit it out of the park...
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That's a bizarre thing to say. No one is inferring that you must believe the alternatives we suggest, only that you fairly consider them. I don't think you've fairly considered some of the alternatives.
Once again I ask, given that repetition and replication of the unique circumstances involved is not necessary to rule out the possibility of sleep-related occurence or distorted memory for your claim that 27 years ago in a deerstand up a tree along the Pasquotank River, NC in the early morning after being disoriented and feeling very groggy that you saw a 9 x 6 ft monster wood ape, why is it impossible that you did not see what you thought you saw?
Vivid sleep-related hallucinations occur as do vivid but distorted memories. This is known, tested, and proven by science. What is that the largest land mammal in North America is a bipedal gargantuan ape that exists in places such as small swathes of woods like where the Pasquotank is completely surrounded by farmland and cities.
Good job, that was.
No, wait...
Ahhhhh...
Say what?? I think you may have missed the number of times that I pointed out that the very president of the ABS stands for hoaxing. Dude...
*Paul* *Freeman*
Yes, waiter, I'd like the irony platter with a side order of contradiction and a cup of I-can't-believe-he-said-that.
Wow. John, Paul Freeman was an admitted hoaxer. Not only does Melissa argue for the veracity of Paul Freeman evidence because it was touched by Saint Meldrum, she literally forbids discussing the possibility of whether any of his casts were faked in an SFB thread solely devoted to his cast collection. That by it's very definition is tolerating hoaxing. Not to mention bizarre cognitive dissonance.
Wow. Kinda missed that one, I guess.
I know Rob was one of the MABRC guys who thought the group was seeing Bigfoots at Bullet's place and is also an ABS guy. Let's leave Rob alone in this thread, though. I posted enough of his videos in the MABRC threads.
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No, wait...
Ahhhhh...
Say what?? I think you may have missed the number of times that I pointed out that the very president of the ABS stands for hoaxing. Dude...
*Paul* *Freeman*
Yes, waiter, I'd like the irony platter with a side order of contradiction and a cup of I-can't-believe-he-said-that.
Wow. John, Paul Freeman was an admitted hoaxer. Not only does Melissa argue for the veracity of Paul Freeman evidence because it was touched by Saint Meldrum, she literally forbids discussing the possibility of whether any of his casts were faked in an SFB thread solely devoted to his cast collection. That by it's very definition is tolerating hoaxing. Not to mention bizarre cognitive dissonance.
Wow. Kinda missed that one, I guess.
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That is not true Kit. Melissa does not defend Paul Freeman. She was asking you to NOT disrupt that thread about the cast scans with hoaxing. She told you to start that conversation in another thread. That thread was about the scans.
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Unethical, and, in this case, illegal. That painting doesn't fall under "fair use". It's a copyrighted work by the artist. Just. plain. wrong.
I imagine these people would scream like banshees if the situation were reversed. I guess theft is okay as long as you have a "reason".
You do realize that you are in fact pointing to an old version of the website created by an indivdual who is no longer a member and not here to defend themselves, making your point both ******** and below the belt.
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