Moderated Bigfoot- Anybody Seen one?

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WGBH said:
What are you talking about? Mikeyx is not a SFB admin. Are you speaking to someone else? Nevermind I know who it is now

Again. That is a old ABS web site that is no longer in use by the new re-booted ABS.

Last I checked this thread was called "Bigfoot- anybody seen one"?

I think we should start a new thread called " Bash the ABS"
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In JC's defense, I come over here as myself and not much else so he didnt apparently know that I am an admin over there.
 
WGBH said:
Or maybe you just charged into something you knew nothing about with guns blazing?
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Or maybe I remarked on something Kit said, you just weren't clear in correcting me, I misunderstood you as a result, and you decided that being insulting was the way to go.
 
Aepervius said:
Bottom line is that scoffic is used as a derogatory term for skeptic, because some people have a pet theory to which there is no evidence whatsoever, and since they cannot provide evidence they would rather just try to deride/insult the skeptic and hope their message get derided at the same moment.
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I would have to agree with that, it seems to have been created as a derogatory term. Nothing more, nothing less.

A similar example would be "bleever" (derogatory term for believer) "footers" and I pass other term which are about as derogatory and bad for any rethorical debate on both side.
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Here I would disagree. I don't consider 'footer' derogatory, as it's a concise way of referring to 'someone who is pursuing the mystery of bigfoot', or 'someone who has an ongoing interest/enthusiasm for the topic'. I would consider myself a 'footer', living in 'Footerville', somewhere in the land of 'Bigfootdom'.

I'm perfectly fine with someone referring to me using those terms, and I don't see anything derogatory about them.

RayG
 
desertgal said:
Unethical, and, in this case, illegal. That painting doesn't fall under "fair use". It's a copyrighted work by the artist. Just. plain. wrong.

I imagine these people would scream like banshees if the situation were reversed. I guess theft is okay as long as you have a "reason". :rolleyes:
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desertgal said:
Or maybe I remarked on something Kit said, you just weren't clear in correcting me, I misunderstood you as a result, and you decided that being insulting was the way to go.
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I said:

That web site was created years ago by the former president of the group who is no longer a member. We no longer use that web site. We have a new site and the artwork on our new site was created personally by a ABS member.

How much more clear can I be?
 
WGBH said:
I said:

That web site was created years ago by the former president of the group who is no longer a member. We no longer use that web site. We have a new site and the artwork on our new site was created personally by a ABS member.

How much more clear can I be?
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I asked you if your friend used the painting on the site when she created it, before she resigned her membership. You refuse to answer that. Obviously, you could be much clearer.

You are determined to be right, so okay. If your friend used that painting, without permission or credit, on the site when she created it, before she resigned her membership, it was absolutely, 100%, completely ethical of her.

If she didn't, the current manager of the site, of which she is not a member, is the party infringing on the copyright.

Either way, her ethics are intact. You are right and Kit is wrong. Good enough?

Finis.
 
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WGBH said:
That web site was created years ago by the former president of the group who is no longer a member. We no longer use that web site. We have a new site and the artwork on our new site was created personally by a ABS member.
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That's unfortunate considering it is the very first website that comes up when you google "American Bigfoot Society"...

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=american+bigfoot+society&aq=0&oq=American+Bigfoot&aqi=g1

Since that is ripping off Robert Bateman and represents your organization, you or somebody above you might want to contact the person running that website and do something about it.
 
kitakaze said:
That's unfortunate considering it is the very first website that comes up when you google "American Bigfoot Society"...

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=american+bigfoot+society&aq=0&oq=American+Bigfoot&aqi=g1

Since that is ripping off Robert Bateman and represents your organization, you or somebody above you might want to contact the person running that website and do something about it.
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So, that is your idea of a apology? No, I apologize for wrongly accusing the ABS of copy write infringement on a public forum because of my personal vendetta against its current president?

Your words as you posted them above Kit:

"I am now going to focus much critical attention on Melissa, the SFB, and the ABS."

I guess it does not matter if that critical attention is the truth or not.
 
mikeyx said:
you're jumping aroud your facts here a bit kit, pertaining to me.
Yes, I am an admin on sfb, I'm also the root admin on the Nesra forum as well as ISRIN, but I had no role in your ban, I abstained, also abs and sfb are seperate entities and I am only a member of the abs, and had no role in the site's design so I am a bit confused as to why you're dragging a quote from the MABRC thread over here just t include me, apples and oranges in my opinion. Hope that clarifies.
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Thank you for the clarification, Mike. I don't think I'm jumping on my facts. Remember I said:

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That comment is not directed at you, Mike. I only know that your an SFB admin and nothing about if you're with the ABS.
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I used your quote because...

1) It talks about giving proper credit.

2) You are connected with the president of the group I was talking about.

3) I didin't want to take it up with John after I suggest that I wouldn't take up SFB/ABS issues with him in this thread.

I expected you abstained from me being removed against protocol from the SFB. I may have missed a PM from you saying so when my inbox was full. I haven't forgotten the NESRA thing from the time we were discussing Kerry Anderholm/Luminous. Please don't think I'm throwing you under a bus for Melissa and friends behaviour. Her website, her sandbox; she can do what she likes whether it follows her rules or not.

I suspect with your sensibilities, it puts you in a weird spot when the owner of the site you are staff of does things like completely write off Bullet Maker for admitting to Bigfoot hoaxing and then does a complete 180 and forbids discussion of whether or not admitted hoaxer Paul Freeman hoaxed any of the prints in his collection in a thread solely devoted to them.

I also remember you didn't attend the SFSP gong show where Melissa Hovey and crew thought they might have encountered Bigfoot so I wanted to point that out. I want you and John to know that anything I have to say about SFB/ABS/Melissa Hovey isn't meant to be personal towards you.
 
WGBH said:
So, that is your idea of a apology? No, I apologize for wrongly accusing the ABS of copy write infringement on a public forum because of my personal vendetta against its current president?

Your words as you posted them above Kit:

"I am now going to focus much critical attention on Melissa, the SFB, and the ABS."

I guess it does not matter if that critical attention is the truth or not.
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If you want to discuss this with me, OK, but I did offer to drop it with you. Why exactly do I owe anyone an apology? I haven't seen any proof that I'm wrongfully accussing the ABS of copyright infringement.

You said...

"That web site was created years ago by the former president of the group who is no longer a member."

I guess years ago that guy who was the president and is no longer a member decided that while ripping off Robert bateman's art he would also write at the top of the board of directors page:

Melissa Hovey, President


Melissa began her research in Dallas, Texas, she then moved to Ohio in 2008. Melissa
is the current President of the American Bigfoot Society (ABS). Melissa owns a blog and website forum titled The Search for Bigfoot.

In 2007, she began co-hosting an Internet radio show, "Let's Talk Bigfoot," on Talkshoe. Then joined Sean Forker and "The Sasquatch Experience" in February 2008. In June of 2008 she began co-hosting a new program on Talkshoe, with friend and Field Researcher Monica Rawlins, called "The Grey Area" which has now moved to BlogTalk Radio.

Melissa was also featured on the all female expedition episode of the History Channels "MonsterQuest" titled "Bigfoot".
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http://americanbigfootsociety.weebly.com/board-of-directors.html

So how exactly am I wrongfully accusing the ABS?

Of course I have a beef with Melissa and some of her associates. You don't think I should? That would be really, really weird if you did. She acts cultish so I am responding appropriately. It's not personal. I don't care what she does in her personal life. Only what she does publicly regarding Bigfoot-related issues with her Bigfoot searcher hat on. Is that not fair?
 
LONGTABBER PE said:
>>>Did the figures look more like blobs/shadows or like hair covered gorillas on the base?

What part of fuzzy, long range and halo didnt you understand?

>>>You would agree that both of your incidents involved an animal larger than the average man, correct? Because you said the subject in your 2nd sighting cleared a known height mark you mentioned before?

Did you not comprehend what I wrote?

>>>Other than those 2 encounters, have there been any other times in which you may have seen or have heard something you cant explain, and then say "Maybe

I have seen and heard lots of things I couldnt explain for whatever reason at that time but none that trigger a "bigfoot" response
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Im sorry LT, I need to read your encounter again on the BFF
 
Sad, just when I thought you could man up and do the right thing Kit. Oh well...
 
WGBH said:
Sad, just when I thought you could man up and do the right thing Kit. Oh well...
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Why are you accusing people here of disrespecting you? Is it because we dont all consider bigfoot to be the best explanation?
 
WGBH said:
Sad, just when I thought you could man up and do the right thing Kit. Oh well...
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Why don't you tell me what I'm doing wrong? You said that I'm wrongfully accusing the ABS of copyright infringement. Am I? Show me I am wrongfully accusing the ABS.

Problem for the ABS:

Website: Google> Search: American Bigfoot Society> Result: First website listed shows ripped off Robert Bateman art.

You said...

WGBH said:
So take that up with HIM. We have no control of that web site and no longer use it as I stated.
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So the fact that your group looks for all the world to anyone who uses Google, Yahoo, whatever like it is ripping off Robert Bateman is not a problem? OK, who put that site together? I'll contact him and tell him that he's ripping off Robert Bateman. I really don't like it when artists get the work stolen and used uncredited.

Which site is the main ABS sight now? Who should I contact to tell them about the problem with the first site that comes up in search?

http://americanbigfootsociety.com/

http://americanbigfoot.blogspot.com/

See, on the site you say is the old one the last report listed was December 30, 2008. That's six months ago:

http://americanbigfootsociety.weebly.com/reports.html

What happens when a person who thinks they saw Bigfoot submits a report here?:

http://americanbigfootsociety.weebly.com/report-your-sighting.html

Or try to join the ABS and pay money here?:

http://americanbigfootsociety.weebly.com/membership-services.html

If the ABS is not using that site, I will apologize for saying the ABS is ripping off Robert Bateman and clarify that the ABS was ripping off Robert Bateman.

Fair enough?
 
You just farted twice, after saying you wouldn't ..

This is not a chat room, or instant messaging service Mak. Quit treating it like one..

Read the posts and make a comment if you have something to add, or a counter point to make.. Otherwise, just read and learn something..


( Will someone please report me for being off topic.. Perhaps a mod will delete this .. )
 
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