Moderated Bigfoot- Anybody Seen one?

[LTC8K6]

What would you consider this creature to be then?

Unknown or a bear, depending on how good a look I got at it. I was a bigfoot fan as a child and it just doesn't sound like a bigfoot to me.

Standing up and eating berries sounds bear like and when you are a kid, things seem a lot bigger to you.

 

[WGBH]

John, why would that person wait 27 years to report seeing a Bigfoot? Saw it in 1976 and reported it in 1993.

Good question William. I can only answer for myself. I waited 16 years to make my BFRO report in 1998. I started to get involved in this field in 2006. I have only begun to discuss my encounter openly in the last year and it is still difficult for me to discuss. So, in effect other then my BFRO report I barely talked about my encounter for 24 years.

The reason I never talked about it is because every time I attempted to bring the topic up to a friend or family member, It was treated the same way it was in the woods that day in 1982. With laughter, or cynicism or anger. It still hurt the same way too.

PS When I say discuss openly, I meant before that I only discussed it on Bigfoot forums or Bigfoot radio shows, or within the Bigfoot community.My encounter in the last year has become known by all my friends, family and co-workers.

 

[WGBH]

What would you consider this creature to be then?

Nice thread, don't want to interrupt. But this has been itching at me. Would the creature that J witnessed possibly be a male 'Patty'? One more question actually, if the witness has studied anthropology at all, what species would this creature most likely be?

If it was a homonoid, it would be pretty well depicted and described here:
http://www.archaeologyinfo.com/species.htm

In my opinion, yes I would consider this to be a large male specimen. Patty was obviously a female. No I have not studied anthropology. It appeared to me to be a very large, bipedal walking, ape like creature. I will leave it to others to classify it.

 

[WGBH]

Unknown or a bear, depending on how good a look I got at it. I was a bigfoot fan as a child and it just doesn't sound like a bigfoot to me.

Standing up and eating berries sounds bear like and when you are a kid, things seem a lot bigger to you.

What I saw was clearly not a bear. It was too large. It had hands. It had no snout. It had no visible ears. etc,etc...

 

[Vortigern99]

What I saw was clearly not a bear. It was too large. It had hands. It had no snout. It had no visible ears. etc,etc...

But it was fifty yards away, and you had just awakened from a collapse brought about by nausea, lack of sleep and lack of food, in a strange environment isolated from other people. All of these are classic symptoms of hallucination, whether you're willing to accept this or not.

The odds that you either hallucinated the animal out of whole cloth, or that you distorted a sighting of a bear (which were common to the area), are far higher than that you saw an actual 9'x5' animal which has left no trace of itself despite needing 9000+ calories a day, even in winter, and has massive bones that somehow dissolve into invisibility at death.

 

[WGBH]

But it was fifty yards away, and you had just awakened from a collapse brought about by nausea, lack of sleep and lack of food, in a strange environment isolated from other people. All of these are classic symptoms of hallucination, whether you're willing to accept this or not.

The odds that you either hallucinated the animal out of whole cloth, or that you distorted a sighting of a bear (which were common to the area), are far higher than that you saw an actual 9'x5' animal which has left no trace of itself despite needing 9000+ calories a day, even in winter, and has massive bones that somehow dissolve into invisibility at death.

What is this lack of sleep? I had at least 6 hours of sleep that night. From 11pm till 5 am. Maybe a bit more. The nausea was from the smell. I did not just wake up. I was never unconscious during the episode, just dizzy and in pain. I sat up for a few minutes before the branch cracking sounds even occurred. I already did see a small bear that morning. I saw what I saw.

Why would I hallucinate a Bigfoot? I hardly knew what one was. Why didn't it look like the costume Andre the Giant wore or like Patty? Up until then, those were the only references I had of what Bigfoot would look like. Good grief, I watched it for about 30 seconds before I realized what it was.

 

[kitakaze]

Hey, John. Did you get to Dismal yet? I just came back from camping in a ridiculously beautiful area. Check it out (not my images):

http://www.clientcarenetwork.com/Po...79e/Images/Goldstream_Waterfall_1_800x600.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_C7oNoMJ1fiI/R_EofJ_h0dI/AAAAAAAAAEE/KRCGNtUGdQE/S692/falls5.jpg

http://shltrip.com/sitebuilder/imag...le_near_goldstream-V2-DSCN4300_3_-760x514.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx6ev9Le1AQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QTs-H2MTYo&NR=1

(Following link has stoners being nuts and some profanity: NSW)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgFRgkDxCuw&feature=related

BTW, John, I noticed that just after I was kicked out of SFB for skepticism the general discussion section and those pertaining to the PGF have been removed from public view by I assume Melissa or another admin. Any idea why that is? I wouldn't think that Genereal anything there warranted secretive behaviour.

 

[Vortigern99]

What is this lack of sleep? I had at least 6 hours of sleep that night. From 11pm till 5 am. Maybe a bit more. The nausea was from the smell. I did not just wake up. I was never unconscious during the episode, just dizzy and in pain. I sat up for a few minutes before the branch cracking sounds even occurred. I already did see a small bear that morning. I saw what I saw.

Thanks for the correction on the sleep question. I read in your account that you were "tired" and presumed it was from lack of sleep. It remains that you collapsed onto the floor of the deer blind from nausea, curled up into a fetal position, prior to the sighting. I will not include the phrase "lack of sleep" in my future summaries of your symptoms.

Why would I hallucinate a Bigfoot? I hardly knew what one was. Why didn't it look like the costume Andre the Giant wore or like Patty? Up until then, those were the only references I had of what Bigfoot would look like. Good grief, I watched it for about 30 seconds before I realized what it was.

Why would anyone hallucinate anything? Why would Kitakaze hallucinate a spectral demon that torments him while he sleeps? Why would Rollerero hallucinate a motorcycle? Why would Learner hallucinate a pile of dirt? Do you think that Learner's pile of dirt looked exactly like an earlier pile of dirt he had seen, down to its last detail? That Rollerero's motorcycle looked exactly like a motocycle he had once seen? Do you ever dream of things that appear distorted from the form you know them to take in real life? Because that is exactly what hallucination is: a waking dream, or a dream between waking and sleeping.

 

[kitakaze]

What is this lack of sleep? I had at least 6 hours of sleep that night. From 11pm till 5 am. Maybe a bit more. The nausea was from the smell. I did not just wake up. I was never unconscious during the episode, just dizzy and in pain. I sat up for a few minutes before the branch cracking sounds even occurred. I already did see a small bear that morning. I saw what I saw.

Didn't you say you arrived there at 10 or 11pm?

Also, you didn't say "dizzy" in your report. You said "really groggy":

“I didn’t know what.. when that was happening to me, I don’t know what it was. I really don’t remember what I was thinking. I just knew that I had never felt anything like that. Before or since. Never felt anything like that.”

Readers of this blog will perhaps think of the infrasound hypothesis at this point.

At this point JC was pretty disoriented. “I was really groggy and kind of getting myself back together. I sat back up, and was like, what the hell was that? And I started to look out the deer stand again. Then all the sudden I started hearing something, like footsteps, like branches breaking, like leaves crunching, like bushes rattling. Like something was moving through the forest. I was thinking, oh thank God! I hope it’s my friend and his dad coming to get me out of this.” But it was not his friends returning to fetch him.

Those are classic tells of sleep paralysis. I also would feel very, very groggy and hear movement around me as well.

Why would I hallucinate a Bigfoot? I hardly knew what one was. Why didn't it look like the costume Andre the Giant wore or like Patty? Up until then, those were the only references I had of what Bigfoot would look like. Good grief, I watched it for about 30 seconds before I realized what it was.

Under the premise that you had a hypnogogic hallucination, you didn't hallucinate something realistic at all. You hallucinated a 9 x 6 foot monster bipedal apeman that is a member of a species that lives in North America where every single living mammal species is known and studied in detail. How does a 9 x 6 monster ape bigger than a grizzly bear even live in a swamp? How does a massive, relatively slow-moving upright animal maintain breeding numbers in the eastern U.S. poking about an extremely studied ecosystem while evading being a catalogued member (maybe the biggest) of North American fauna? It boggles the mind. I don't think it is much more realistic than if you hallucinated the Incredible Hulk munching a mulberry tree.

 

[echocharlie419]

Doesthe clip on Penn&Teller's Bulls hit count?

 

[WGBH]

Hey, John. Did you get to Dismal yet? I just came back from camping in a ridiculously beautiful area. Check it out (not my images):

http://www.clientcarenetwork.com/Po...79e/Images/Goldstream_Waterfall_1_800x600.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_C7oNoMJ1fiI/R_EofJ_h0dI/AAAAAAAAAEE/KRCGNtUGdQE/S692/falls5.jpg

http://shltrip.com/sitebuilder/imag...le_near_goldstream-V2-DSCN4300_3_-760x514.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx6ev9Le1AQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QTs-H2MTYo&NR=1

(Following link has stoners being nuts and some profanity: NSW)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgFRgkDxCuw&feature=related

BTW, John, I noticed that just after I was kicked out of SFB for skepticism the general discussion section and those pertaining to the PGF have been removed from public view by I assume Melissa or another admin. Any idea why that is? I wouldn't think that Genereal anything there warranted secretive behaviour.

Yeah, I just got back, It rained just a bit so there were no people around the park area. That kinda spooked me. I just walked about a mile bike trail loop. Billy sounded mad on the phone for me going out alone. I had to explain to him It wasn't the wilderness it was a state park with clear trails so I was OK. I did buy some bear spray like he told me too, but I didn't see any bears.

I did not notice that anything had moved on the forum. You know I don't pay attention to the PGF stuff. I think it may be because Bill Munns is there answering questions.

PS. Great Pics dude! That place is beautiful!

 

[WGBH]

Didn't you say you arrived there at 10 or 11pm?

Also, you didn't say "dizzy" in your report. You said "really groggy":

You ever been really drunk and had bed spins? That's what it felt like when I was lying there on the floor of the deer stand. Would you call that dizzy or groggy or both? I was also having bad pains in my chest.



Those are classic tells of sleep paralysis. I also would feel very, very groggy and hear movement around me as well.

OK



Under the premise that you had a hypnogogic hallucination, you didn't hallucinate something realistic at all. You hallucinated a 9 x 6 foot monster bipedal apeman that is a member of a species that lives in North America where every single living mammal species is known and studied in detail. How does a 9 x 6 monster ape bigger than a grizzly bear even live in a swamp? How does a massive, relatively slow-moving upright animal maintain breeding numbers in the eastern U.S. poking about an extremely studied ecosystem while evading being a catalogued member (maybe the biggest) of North American fauna? It boggles the mind. I don't think it is much more realistic than if you hallucinated the Incredible Hulk munching a mulberry tree.

I have heard stories they can move really fast, But I only saw it standing still. Did you read the new BFRO report I posted above? The description of the animal is very similar.

I wish someone else would tell their story here. I like hearing other encounter stories.

 

[kitakaze]

Why would anyone hallucinate anything? Why would Kitakaze hallucinate a spectral demon that torments him while he sleeps?

Yeah, no kidding. Why did I have to hallucinate the lame scary demon? Why couldn't hallucinate something awesome like Bigfoot. I mean, c'mon. Look at my post count. I apparently spend more than 5 minutes a year talking about Bigfoot. Or at least I could have hallucinated a cool demon like the sexy Castlevania succubus. I'd link it but she's too sexy. Google is your friend.

 

[WGBH]

Thanks for the correction on the sleep question. I read in your account that you were "tired" and presumed it was from lack of sleep. It remains that you collapsed onto the floor of the deer blind from nausea, curled up into a fetal position, prior to the sighting. I will not include the phrase "lack of sleep" in my future summaries of your symptoms.

Vort, sorry bud. I didn't mean to sound like I was mad. I don't care if you say tired or lack of sleep.

Why would anyone hallucinate anything? Why would Kitakaze hallucinate a spectral demon that torments him while he sleeps? Why would Rollerero hallucinate a motorcycle? Why would Learner hallucinate a pile of dirt? Do you think that Learner's pile of dirt looked exactly like an earlier pile of dirt he had seen, down to its last detail? That Rollerero's motorcycle looked exactly like a motocycle he had once seen? Do you ever dream of things that appear distorted from the form you know them to take in real life? Because that is exactly what hallucination is: a waking dream, or a dream between waking and sleeping.

Most if the dreams I have now that I remember. Stinky seems to pop up in them and scare me.

 

[kitakaze]

Yeah, I just got back, It rained just a bit so there were no people around the park area. That kinda spooked me. I just walked about a mile bike trail loop. Billy sounded mad on the phone for me going out alone. I had to explain to him It wasn't the wilderness it was a state park with clear trails so I was OK. I did buy some bear spray like he told me too, but I didn't see any bears.

Why would Billy be mad at you for going alone? Shouldn't he be freaking out with happiness?

I was just at the most stunning lake and as I was heading into the area I checked a sign board with some info about the lake. There was a notice that a huge black bear had been seen on one of the trails only three days before. We found a women's sunglasses (kinda big with sequins on them) and keys there. We were wondering how they got there and joked we might see the bear coughing out a hair extension and a broken Beyoncé CD.

I did not notice that anything had moved on the forum. You know I don't pay attention to the PGF stuff. I think it may be because Bill Munns is there answering questions.

It's like the whole general discussion section and the research section Basically everywhere that I was regularly posting in and one of the people whom I was respectfully and civilly interacting with and who do not mind polite and reasonable skeptics might ask where the heck I went.

Wouldn't that be weird to remove from public view the entire general discussion section as well as the research section? Also weird that they never returned my email seeking clarification on the nature of my removal. Oh well. Interestingly Washingtonian in his email called it a suspension of my account but this makes it pretty obvious:

kitakaze

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Luckily I saved many of my posts there to my email for future refence. I realized when I had a post removed from a thread on the Freeman cast collection politely asking why we could not discuss whether or not we thought the casts from an admitted hoaxer were legitmate that I was in a highly bizarre situation with a Bigfoot enthusiast (Melissa) behaving very weirdly:

[quote name='Melissa' date='May 30 2009, 09:26 AM' post='13854']
This is not the "Did Paul Freeman hoax" thread.
Do not hijack this thread.

Hijack the thread? Seriously? This thread is about Paul Freeman's cast collection. If we can not discuss what we think of the casts, including whether we think they are real or not (which is an absolutely fair question considering the man was an admitted hoaxer), then what exactly is it we are supposed to discuss?
Melissa, could you or someone else explain this to me so I can understand? I don't want to post off-topic and would like to know what this is about so that I might decide to participate in the thread or not. Is there something different about these casts because Meldrum thinks some of them are real?

That's fine, though. I knew she was very irritated and wanted me gone. She cheerleaded Lyndon when he showed up to debate with me and then when he said he gave up and didn't feel like staying she really seemed irritated. That's what happens when you are heavily biased and can't handle healthy discussion and debate regarding a simple black and white zoological question.

Anyway, this is OT. I will discuss it more in an appropriate thread.

PS. Great Pics dude! That place is beautiful!

I literally thought when I was at those falls that John would go nuts if he could see this place. It was PNW rainforest on steroids.

 

[makaya325]

Why would Billy be mad at you for going alone? Shouldn't he be freaking out with happiness?

I was just at the most stunning lake and as I was heading into the area I checked a sign board with some info about the lake. There was a notice that a huge black bear had been seen on one of the trails only three days before. We found a women's sunglasses (kinda big with sequins on them) and keys there. We were wondering how they got there and joked we might see the bear coughing out a hair extension and a broken Beyoncé CD.



It's like the whole general discussion section and the research section Basically everywhere that I was regularly posting in and one of the people whom I was respectfully and civilly interacting with and who do not mind polite and reasonable skeptics might ask where the heck I went.

Wouldn't that be weird to remove from public view the entire general discussion section as well as the research section? Also weird that they never returned my email seeking clarification on the nature of my removal. Oh well. Interestingly Washingtonian in his email called it a suspension of my account but this makes it pretty obvious:

kitakaze

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Group: Banned
Posts: 263
Joined: 25-May 07
From: Tokyo, Japan (now visiting Vancouver Island)
Member No.: 212

Luckily I saved many of my posts there to my email for future refence. I realized when I had a post removed from a thread on the Freeman cast collection politely asking why we could not discuss whether or not we thought the casts from an admitted hoaxer were legitmate that I was in a highly bizarre situation with a Bigfoot enthusiast (Melissa) behaving very weirdly:



That's fine, though. I knew she was very irritated and wanted me gone. She cheerleaded Lyndon when he showed up to debate with me and then when he said he gave up and didn't feel like staying she really seemed irritated. That's what happens when you are heavily biased and can't handle healthy discussion and debate regarding a simple black and white zoological question.

Anyway, this is OT. I will discuss it more in an appropriate thread.




I literally thought when I was at those falls that John would go nuts if he could see this place. It was PNW rainforest on steroids.

I Thought that the PNW consists of temperate Rainforests only?

 

[GT/CS]

I Thought that the PNW consists of temperate Rainforests only?

You thought wrong, and you didn't do any research.

First we need to know what you consider to be the PNW.

 

[WGBH]

Why would Billy be mad at you for going alone? Shouldn't he be freaking out with happiness?

I was just at the most stunning lake and as I was heading into the area I checked a sign board with some info about the lake. There was a notice that a huge black bear had been seen on one of the trails only three days before. We found a women's sunglasses (kinda big with sequins on them) and keys there. We were wondering how they got there and joked we might see the bear coughing out a hair extension and a broken Beyoncé CD.

I literally thought when I was at those falls that John would go nuts if he could see this place. It was PNW rainforest on steroids.

Billy just worries about me because he has seen me freak out in the woods plenty of times. I am sure deep down he is happy, but he wants me to understand I should not go out alone as inexperienced and scared as I am.
When I told him it was just a park he calmed down.

 

[LTC8K6]

Billy was right. NC is a bear hotspot and the big ones are near the coast.


http://www.ncgameandfish.com/hunting/big-game-hunting/nc_aa123704a/

"The next morning I decided to stalk the bear," Rose said. "I used cover along ditches to sneak to the field. I shot the bear with a .270 at 175 yards."

The bear weighed 635 pounds. After drying, the skull scored 21, making the All-Time Boone and Crockett record book.

"The bear was a short distance from Dismal Swamp Refuge," Rose said. "That may have helped him get so big."

Robert Norville is the commission's District 2 wildlife biologist. Norville said the biggest bears in the state occur along the Pamlico County-Beaufort County line.

"I remember last year one party brought in a pair of bears that were almost identical and the bears weighed around 450 pounds each," Norville said. "One we checked at the Pamlico-Beaufort line weighed over 600 pounds. For the largest bears in the state, Hyde and Beaufort counties have been swapping bragging rights during recent seasons."

As good as the mountain hunting can be, hunters kill more bears in the coastal region, and bear weights are also heavier.

 

[LTC8K6]

I would vote that an inexperienced kid got sick in the woods and collapsed, and when he began to recover he saw a big bear standing up and feeding in the distance and blew it out of proportion from being scared and sick and worried and a bit confused about what happened to him.