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First, that isn't correct.

Second, we're talking about WGBH's sighting:

JC’s encounter occurred in Pasquotank County, North Carolina, near the river that lends the county its name.

ETA: Map of BF sightings in NA:

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ETA2: Thanks, Parcher! Ya beat me to it, and I was stealing your map anyway. ;)
 
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The truth is that Bigfoot sightings, whether real or imaginary, tend to come more from the western part of the country.

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This is a problem with Occam's Razor that I've encountered before. The person making the claim, a claim which is unsubstantiated except for their own verbal testimony, will almost always opine that their subjective viewpoint is the "simpler explanation" than any that could be put forth by science. It's a difficult hurdle to overcome.

WGBH, the simple fact is that hallucination is known, studied, verified and documented by numerous studies in laboratory settings. (Kit and I have provided several links to articles describing these studies.) The circumstances of your experience are consistent with the descriptions of hypnagogic and/or hypnopompic hallucinations given in numerous medical and psychological textbooks, websites, and papers. Even if we remove the term "sleep paralysis" from the table (despite your description of feeling "frozen... stuck there"), the aforementioned hallucinatory phenomena remain as entirely reasonable, likely, and even probable explanations.

Bigfoot is not a known, studied, verified or documented organism in any laboratory or scientific paper, beyond the purely speculative. There is no type specimen and no independently corroborated account of its existence.

Therefore, the simplest explanation of your sighting, especially given the hunger, lack of sleep, nausea, collapse, isolation, novel environment, and feelings of panic and danger that accompanied the experience, is that you had either a hypnagogic or hypnopompic hallucination.

If you have some concrete reason why this is not the simplest explanation, I would very much like to read it.

Vort,
That is a impressive and thoughtful argument. I actually find your theory does intrigue me and I will keep a open mind to your ideas about what happened to me. Can you do the same for me?

"Bigfoot is not a known, studied, verified or documented organism in any laboratory or scientific paper, beyond the purely speculative. There is no type specimen and no independently corroborated account of its existence.:"

Some of us are working on this problem, it would be nice if we had more help and less criticism.
 
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Here is an excerpt from the Blogsquatcher article, about John's sighting...





John, before your sighting, had you ever read anything about (alleged) Bigfoot encounters?


I'm asking because you mentioned there was a 'strong odor', and I'm wondering if you had any knowledge of this aspect of Bigfoot sightings, ahead of time.


Nope, I only saw Andre the Giant fight Lee Majors on TV.
 
I would have screamed "Look you stupid rednecks Bigfoot left a print!".

So in your opinion, in spite of their screaming ridicule and refusal to go take a look - screaming that ridiculing statement at them would have brought them over?
 
First, that isn't correct.

Second, we're talking about WGBH's sighting:

JC’s encounter occurred in Pasquotank County, North Carolina, near the river that lends the county its name.

ETA: Map of BF sightings in NA:

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=14097&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1243708566[/qimg]

ETA2: Thanks, Parcher! Ya beat me to it, and I was stealing your map anyway. ;)


When you think of bigfoot, you would assume that its population would mainly settle in the Pacific northwestern united states
 
When you think of bigfoot, you would assume that its population would mainly settle in the Pacific northwestern united states


Because Bigfoot does not fancy the East. Those who somehow found themselves there headed to the PNW.



So they loaded up the truck and they moved to Bluffy
Creek that is
Dense forests
Sand bars.



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So in your opinion, in spite of their screaming ridicule and refusal to go take a look - screaming that ridiculing statement at them would have brought them over?

I would like to hope it would. But I have no idea.
 
If instead you had found what appeared to be bear tracks, would it have caused you to have any doubts about what you saw (Bigfoot)?
 
Sorry, could not resist. I love the responses to that statement. I do applaud you for not calling for my execution. :D

But no, the simple explanation in my view, would be I saw an undiscovered primate. So I guess we should agree to disagree on that. It is not the simple answer for myself to think I hallucinated and/or had sleep paralysis. For you to think that, fair enough. It's all about perspective.

It's not about what you want the simplest explanation to be, or feel it should be. If that were the standard, seizures would be the result of demon possessions.

I have thought about the theory that I might have had some type of seizure. My only question would be, Why only then? I have never had another one BEFORE or SINCE that day. But who knows? maybe

Why not? You wouldn't be the first person to experience isolated incidents of seizure.
 
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Wrong, he was put through the ringer by folks when he first came online and it's a touchy subject with him. You could stand to lighten up and be polite yourself.

I also have a yawn for you.

*Yawn*.....
 
Occam's Razor cannot tell you if any hypothesis is factual. Folks will always disagree on what constitutes the more "simple" explanation. The razor is most properly used to prepare the hypothesis for peer review. Reduce your hypothesis to its simplest form without removing neccessities. Then launch it to see how she floats.

Facts about the world aren't decided upon by their simplicity. It requires producing evidence to support their factuality.
 
Occam's Razor cannot tell you if any hypothesis is factual. Folks will always disagree on what constitutes the more "simple" explanation. The razor is most properly used to prepare the hypothesis for peer review. Reduce your hypothesis to its simplest form without removing neccessities. Then launch it to see how she floats.

Facts about the world aren't decided upon by their simplicity. It requires producing evidence to support their factuality.

Never said it could tell you if anything is factual, actual, or real. And of course people will disagree on what's the more simple explanation.....people will disagree on pretty much every issue.
 
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When you think of bigfoot, you would assume that its population would mainly settle in the Pacific northwestern united states

So, while following the wonderful world of bigfoot over the last, say, six-to-eight months, have you not chanced upon mentions of Virginia sightings (discussed by new member wvbig in the "simple question" thread), Oklahoma sightings (discussed at length in numerous MABRC-related threads), Texas sightings (discussed in conjunction with Oklahoma sightings) and Georgia sightings (discussed by the entire BF community from August of last year to just the other day, when a new body was reported found by the selfsame admitted hoaxers)?

Are you even paying attention to the subject you claim to be studying?
 
If nobody else could smell anything (after they all settled down) then there was no real smell.

What? that makes no sense at all.

1) He was out in the woods, there's a phenomena sometimes called a breeze. You may have heard of it.

2) Breezes are known to dissipate smells.
Try this eat nothing but eggs for 48 hours and let off a massive fart in an enclosed room.
Most likely your nostrils will be burning with that smell for at least a few hours, but if you open the door the smell will dissipate in a few minutes at most, thanks to the breeze that you've allowed in.

According to your hypothesis if someone entered the room 20 mins later and could not smell your eggy fart, you imagined farting and smelling it?

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I don't think there's enough evidence to say exactly what happened to WGBH, though i personally doubt it was a bigfoot.

I do think though that it is ridiculous to discount his olfactory sense as a hallucination based on what someone could or could not smell a while later in an open area.
 
Archangel, if you're familiar with breezes, you might also explain how such an intense odor can have arrived at the recipient's nostrils from fifty yards -- half the length of an American football field -- away.
 
Archangel, if you're familiar with breezes, you might also explain how such an intense odor can have arrived at the recipient's nostrils from fifty yards -- half the length of an American football field -- away.



What's even harder to explain is how John 'hallucinated' a very strong odor....an extremely common aspect of (alleged) Bigfoot sightings...when he had no prior knowledge of this trait of Bigfoot...


WGBH wrote:
SweatyYeti wrote:
John, before your sighting, had you ever read anything about (alleged) Bigfoot encounters?


I'm asking because you mentioned there was a 'strong odor', and I'm wondering if you had any knowledge of this aspect of Bigfoot sightings, ahead of time.


Nope, I only saw Andre the Giant fight Lee Majors on TV.


That seems...(to me, anyway)....to put a pretty large 'dent' in the Hallucination Explanation.
 
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As has been stated, with links, in this thread several times, olfactory distortion/enhancement is a known, studied and verified element of hallucinatory experiences. Burning smells and rotting, foul odors are among the most frequently reported of such hallucinations.

That others have had similar hallucinations is not evidence that such illusions exist in objective reality.

Once again I ask anyone to explain how so intense an odor, if real, could have emanated from a creature fifty yards away and reached the claimant's nostrils with such intensity. The physics of this event, especially given Archangel's aforementioned breezes, would seem to be preposterous.
 
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