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Shrike, that was interesting, because after reading what you wrote, I was convinced I should be wrong, because you've spent more time with him at BFF and in more friendly ways. After thinking about this just a bit more, I decided to look in to the issue, for it would be a nice example on how memories can fool us.

Site's indigenous engine was a no-go, first Googling took me to old JREF archives, where quotes were not separated from answers, but the third attempt, with some changes in the keywords, worked.

Turns out we both were wrong. There are a couple of lessons here...
 
The Chena looks beautiful, ABP. The river and the trees are kinda pretty too.

You are so kind. This is in the higher ground of that drainage.

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This is a spot just breaking out finally above timberline and getting more into caribou and sheep country. Sorry for the quality, it is actually from a movie in low light conditions. The point is to show that with the snow on the ground, any animal is easy to see moving against the white background, even if you are not a pilot. From anywhere here on, you can see miles in every direction.


The law says you can make your own trails, so we do. It's hard work with digging into roots with a pick-axe and your hands, sticking the nose of your chain saw and axe into the dirt. Picking out rocks up high. If you are going up something steep, with a load on a four-wheeler, and a big rock tips a front wheel up, then over you go. A loaded four-wheeler tumbles over you.

If bigfoot were here he would have his own trails already, and I could follow them. We do follow moose trails on foot, but they're bad for machines. Narrow and deep, plus moose like bogs. Bears are no help because they're four wheel drive.

This guy who took the video of the sasquatch tracks - he's a metal detector enthusiast. He has a whole video of a park in town on the Chena, along one of the busiest streets in town. University Avenue. It is a college town. I'm kind of surprised how deceptive it is for its appearance as semi-remote. This is in the middle of a large town, like fifty thousand people.

So he claims to casually find "old" bigfoot tracks right next to fresh shoe tracks, yet the toes have a freshness about them, human digit shape and proportion, as if they were put there by the human hand. Then the camera zips off into the distance, as if those in the distance had the same human-shaped toe prints in them. And it's all such an afterthought. He's zooming in on those pennies so you can read them and beer can pop-tops, but he's not zooming in on his greatest find of all time, no - because it just doesn't occur to him.

What is bigfoot doing in downtown Fairbanks?
 
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Like those pics, ABP oh.. Who is that guy in the dog outfit !?

Edit: It is really cool that he can ride the snowmobile up there.. and then take self photos !!
 
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Which brings about another point: A LOT of us have dogs. They drive the snow-machine and with our superior sense of smell, we locate animals for them.

One important thing about traveling a wilderness that has winter: Look off into all the little valleys below you in those photos. In the summer, they're impossible to travel by machine, and a living hell on foot. Unless you have four legs that are five feet long each.

But in the winter, it freezes and fills with both snow and what we call "overflow":

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The valleys you are looking at are all just like this: now they're superhighways. You can zip up them on foot, by snow machine, skiis, dog team - far into the spring in shaded valleys. The front of a valley facing south is having spring. The back of the mountain in the shade is still winter.

This is overflow while it is happening, sorry about the smudge across the camera lense but it was thirty below zero when this was taken. I was on foot, and had walked about six miles, up the main creek immediately in the front in those pictures.

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At thirty below zero you still have ground water seeping out, layer upon layer, also mixing with snowfall, and making sheets that can be over ten feet thick. On top, so long as you avoid the hazards, you can fly like the wind. It is incredible the advantage you have on a snowmachine barreling up a valley twice as fast as any animal can run. Works great hunting flocks of Ptarmigan. Walking is a lot of fun for its ease and for stealth.

One hazard is the interface between the overflow and the ice. The edges. This is always water or mush, or extremely weak ice covered by snow. When you step in it... schloooop! It's over your boots and you are wet, maybe fall down into it and get wet all over at thirty below.

For snow machine travel the worst is really deep fresh overflow. One way that happens is if a Chinook comes and it warms up above zero, water surges down the ice-covered valley. If there is a foot of snow, the water can be almost a foot deep and you don't know until you are 50 ft out there and your snow machine bogs down for lack of traction. But you have broken through the snow and the water is exposed, so it is going to freeze fast, and you have to get that machine out of there or else it is there until spring.

March and April, partly into May - the sun is back, it's warm, and you have all these valleys you can storm up. You can travel the ridge lines too. In the summer you are mainly restricted to the ridge lines or trails you have hacked out. But in the winter, millions more acres are available for easy travel. On skiis with a plane you can land all over the place. Snow cats and other tracked rigs - the advantages over animals are tremendous.

If bigfoot existed there would be businesses taking you out to spot them just like they do with the bears. They have to limit the numbers of people allowed to do that because if you know where they hang out regularly then too many people crowd in to see them.
 
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Re: Huntster. Teenage Huntster and his likely teenage companions in California in 1972?

I just can't imagine any mind-altering substances playing a role in that experience. Of course, 3 or 4 teenagers don't even need any external mind-altering substances to experience a collective deficit in judgment or interpretation.

For some reason, I had interpreted Huntster's story as involving old, grizzled, seen everything and tracked everything under the sun Huntster, and in one of those places that is really off limits to the tenderfoots up in Alaska. ...


Apparently Huntster never had the important life experience of being pranked by his adolescent friends, and realizing what happened.
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At BFF today, in the SMALLPOX EPIDEMIC THREAD, the one speculating that smallpox probably devastated bigfoot populations in the 15-19th century, someone mentioned that the reason the cliff dwelling Native Americans moved into the cliffs was because of threats from the local Bigfoots.

You can't make this up.
 
No, what she said was that the move into the cliffs might have been precipitated by disease outbreaks, ones that might have also affected the mythical bigfoot population. She admitted that it was very iffy.
 
Really?
I also thought perhaps the 1200's could have coincided with the uprising of BFs one reads about in the mound culture legends.... who knows? But I can say one of these defensive cliff dwelling areas, so shortly used, is in the heart of my BF site....there are still small corn cobs in them, and pot shards..not many hike up there or know...although that is changing the last decade as almost 5 million people live in Az now...
http://bigfootforums.com/index.php?...emic-in-1500s/page__view__findpost__p__609926
 
I don't know what bigfoot uprising in NA legend she is talking about, but I do know that the climate change right around 1000-1200 AD precipitated the plagues in Europe so I doubt that was any different for cultures in North and South America.

I misread what she said, it does look like she is attributing the mound builder's move into the cliff dwellings as being related to bigfoot rather than the drought or plagues.
 
Okay, shame on you Drew. Baited me into breaking a rule and reading that. The plagues from European contact interest me so I thought I would see how that was played. It looks like it's pretty straightforward CYA stuff. They all died. So my 'footer beliefs have a rational foundation.

I re-learned a lesson that should never be a surprise though. When you take a bright person and just add bad intentions, you get covertly malicious behavior I try to point out at JREF. It isn't a rule violation to relentlessly pursue bad faith argument. When I get enough of it I put them on ignore here.

Over there, hey - I understand it. That's their club, so whatever. Someone posting here is a hot-shot theoretician over there I take it. The strategy of the plague is a version of Playing Dumb. The problem with dumb arguments is their stupidity is self-evident. So you have to make a dumb argument in the most erudite way, talking about gene transfer in monkeys vs chimps vs apes... tying the Cliff Dwellings into it, wow that was good. Nobody ever thought of fortifications before. So that's clearly tied into it. The Mounds. DeSoto marching the pigs. Jesus Christ on a pogo stick -the mountains of threads you have to read in order to find a gem like this.
 
The really good ones can coax simpathy and concern. Yeti.. really the main goal is attention and self recognition. It is like that old story about BF showing up at the local Tim Hortons.
 
Okay, shame on you Drew. Baited me into breaking a rule and reading that. The plagues from European contact interest me so I thought I would see how that was played. It looks like it's pretty straightforward CYA stuff. They all died. So my 'footer beliefs have a rational foundation.

I re-learned a lesson that should never be a surprise though. When you take a bright person and just add bad intentions, you get covertly malicious behavior I try to point out at JREF. It isn't a rule violation to relentlessly pursue bad faith argument. When I get enough of it I put them on ignore here.

Over there, hey - I understand it. That's their club, so whatever. Someone posting here is a hot-shot theoretician over there I take it. The strategy of the plague is a version of Playing Dumb. The problem with dumb arguments is their stupidity is self-evident. So you have to make a dumb argument in the most erudite way, talking about gene transfer in monkeys vs chimps vs apes... tying the Cliff Dwellings into it, wow that was good. Nobody ever thought of fortifications before. So that's clearly tied into it. The Mounds. DeSoto marching the pigs. Jesus Christ on a pogo stick -the mountains of threads you have to read in order to find a gem like this.

Someone's jealous :D
 
This just in!


New video obtained of ninja hobo sasquatch colony!!! Finally the good clear video proof we've all waited for!


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Check out this Bureau of Land Management video, complete with guy in suit (in the woods and not getting shot at), advocating looking for Bigfoot on three of their PNW land holdings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbdePcUn8I4&feature=player_embedded

Note: The first comment is priceless from someone named Apehuman

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The video is distressing to this attorney.and witness turned Bigfoot researcher. DNA confirmation will be forthcoming soon and all indications are they belong to genus Homo - human. Encouraging citizens to search for them is akin to hunting for indigenous NA tribal members, as well as sending weekend campers into potentially dangerous encounters. The Sasquatch should be entitled to a Right to Life, free from harassment, torture, captivity, or killing. Start now. Feel free to contact me
 
DNA confirmation of bigfoot? Still not sure how that could ever be, even if they actually had the DNA of a bigfoot. Not sure how an unidentified DNA sample confirms anything.

I'm sure the believers think that's what is coming, and I'm sure they will confidently believe that's what it is, when/if it arrives.
 
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