Moderated Bigfoot- Anybody Seen one?

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Muldur said:
So you are going to let other people tell you what to think, Jodie? Even to the point of denying something you personally observe?

You used to have your head on straight...what the heck happened to you?
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Mulder, I have never seen a bigfoot. When I got seriously interested in the subject a couple of years ago, I thought I would get all kinds of support, and that others who had more experience than I would share their evidence and help me.

Here it is a little over two years, I'm still waiting. I found that the vast majority of the researchers didn't know any more than I did. I would say about 75% of those serious researchers were ....I'm trying to find a non derogatory term to use...let's just say they were a lot like some of my patients in that they were poor historians for whatever reason.

I never ignored the fact that we had shoddy evidence to the point that you could say there was no evidence because this same 75% that I referred to above didn't know what they were doing, had less than sincere motives, or weren't really all that serious about the topic as they would have you believe. Unfortunately, the 25% that I still have some respect for haven't provided evidence either so after awhile you just have to admit to yourself that maybe it's just a bunch of nonsense.

If you can't believe in the people hunting bigfoot how can you continue to believe in bigfoot?
 
Gilbert Syndrome said:
Thats ironic, because from what i've read of your comments, it seems as though you do believe these stories, including those of your family.
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There is a difference in wanting to believe, and actual buy in, the only story I ever thought was completely true was my father's.
 
I've never seen one personally, but have spoke to many who say they have. And I believe some of them.

It'll take a body for me. None of the current DNA stuff will cut it. Gonna have to be a body or a really big portion of one.
 
Vortigern99 said:
Jodie did not personally observe a bigfoot. Please follow the discussion before commenting.
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I am referencing what Jodie herself said:

And I will say this again in case you missed the last ten pages, I will believe it when I see a dead one dragged out of the woods. Until then, bigfoot does not exist. I won't believe it if I'm the only witness nor will I believe it if you are the only witness to such a creature. I need a body and a group consensus.
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Please note the bolded part.

Jodie said that even were she to personally see one, she would not accept what she saw absent a type specimen and scientific acceptance.


That is highly illogical, and says to me that she has surrendered her own intellect and reason to groupthink on the part of the scientific establishment.
 
COGrizzly said:
I've never seen one personally, but have spoke to many who say they have. And I believe some of them.

It'll take a body for me. None of the current DNA stuff will cut it. Gonna have to be a body or a really big portion of one.
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So where does DNA come from if not from the cells of an actual creature?
 
Jodie said:
Mulder, I have never seen a bigfoot. When I got seriously interested in the subject a couple of years ago, I thought I would get all kinds of support, and that others who had more experience than I would share their evidence and help me.
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This is what you said earlier:

And I will say this again in case you missed the last ten pages, I will believe it when I see a dead one dragged out of the woods. Until then, bigfoot does not exist. I won't believe it if I'm the only witness nor will I believe it if you are the only witness to such a creature. I need a body and a group consensus.
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Ok, so I'll allow the amendment to the statement to read "if I WERE to see a bigfoot, I would not believe it...etc".

Again, my question is, why would you assume that what you had seen was NOT what you had seen (in this hypothetical case) until someone else told you it was?

Would you not trust your own eyes, your own intelligence and judgement?
 
Muldur said:
So where does DNA come from if not from the cells of an actual creature?
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I have no clue.

All I know is people can and will lie, cheat, and distort anything for whatever reason. Can DNA results be hoaxed? I don't know. Probably.

And to my knowledge, you need a type specimen in order to verify any sort of DNA.
 
Muldur said:
I am referencing what Jodie herself said:



Please note the bolded part.

Jodie said that even were she to personally see one, she would not accept what she saw absent a type specimen and scientific acceptance.


That is highly illogical, and says to me that she has surrendered her own intellect and reason to groupthink on the part of the scientific establishment.
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Mulder, I said this elsewhere, but I have poor vision and atrocious night vision at that. I have misidentified things before, like the tail of a boa constrictor I just knew I saw disappearing into a drain at the hospital where I worked the night shift in Mississippi.

I just knew it was going to get into the plumbing and I had every security officer and maintenance personnel alerted and out there trying to find the snake. It turned out to be an umbrella cover with snake print that blew into the drain.......saying I felt beyond foolish would be an understatement.

Mulder, you can not deny the amount of variation in the description of what is called bigfoot. If we find something ambulatory and hairy that is dead or someone shoots one, we can't assume it's the legendary bigfoot. Example- Justin's description, versus Patty, versus my father's description of the creature, they simply don't match.

To me that means people are filling in a lot of gaps in what it is they think they are seeing or we have a whole mess of things other than bigfoot running around in rural America....I'm leaning towards misidentification.
 
Muldur, hallucination is a known, documented and studied phenomenon of the human mind. The same can be said of fraud and misidentification.

To date, bigfoot is neither known, documented nor studied.

In the case of a reported sighting, the weight of evidence prevails on the side of hallucination, misidentification or fraud -- not a supernatural animal which leaves no trace of its existence.
 
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Muldur said:
And your proof that BF is "imaginary" (your term) is?
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And would you mind showing us a body of that "large primate" (your term) you're talking about, Muldur? You know, the one from the woods, not the one living in your head. Get your gun and back your claim, Muldur. Jodie's waiting.
 
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Ah, "surrendering to skeptic group thinking"...

Let's suppose Jodie saw something bipedal, large and hairy in the woods.
Concluding "bigfoot" instead of, say, mistaken identificationN would not be surrendering to bigfootery group thinking because...
 
Muldur said:
Would you not trust your own eyes, your own intelligence and judgement?
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I wouldn't. I've already seen things with my own eyes that weren't true so why should I 'trust' that something I see is the correct interpretation my brain is making?

Intelligence and judgement are little use if your eyes have already fooled you.

RayG
 
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