Mader Levap
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(Darth Putin mode) Yesss my usseful idiots, infight infiiighhhht.
Biden for President?
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Stacyhs
Penultimate Amazing
Nah. I know whom I'm voting for.
Sideroxylon
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Look at you there parroting the talking point fed to us by cables news talking heads on multi-million dollar contracts working for billionaires. A fairer deal for ordinary Americans and a winding back of the obscene wealth divide is “too far left.” How convenient that the DP get to foist this status quo candidate while holding the gun of another four years of Trump to your heads.
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Sideroxylon
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That is your rationalising but the fact is that this thread is a train wreck.
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Stacyhs
Penultimate Amazing
Really? That post made me roll my eyes. You have no idea how much you sound like Trump there, do you? Anyway, if this is how this is going to go, I'm going to sign off. Disgruntled Berni Bros are as predictable as Trump.
TragicMonkey
Poisoned Waffles
Doesn't everyone already know? Is any of this going to change anyone's mind at this point? I see people rationalizing their prior choice, not choosing differently.
Sideroxylon
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Jeff Bezos?
shemp
a flimsy character...perfidious and despised
Hey, in a nation of 330,000,000 people, there must be at least one or two fence sitters.
Sideroxylon
Featherless biped
Trump did tap into a disenfranchisement felt by many ordinary Americans who have had jobs shipped abroad or had working conditions eroded with that threat hanging over them while billionaire owners get richer. Trump lied of course and has taken no real action while dealing tax breaks to these same “elites.” The Democratic Party is gambling on ignoring that (or even raising a middle finger) in favour of a not Trump campaign.
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TragicMonkey
Poisoned Waffles
But probably not posting in Politics here, though. Certainly not reading this thread thinking "gee, Biden, good or bad? I don't know, so I'll vote however the snappiest post in here urges me to!"
Elagabalus
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Indeed. It has now gone the way of the "Greta" and "Driverless cars" thread. YMMV.
Roger Ramjets
Philosopher
I don't. I was going to vote for Biden, but he's tainted now so...
But I have a prediction. Tara Reade's accusation will be investigated and thoroughly discredited (though 90% of republicans will still 'believe' her). Then a week before the election the FBI will announce that new evidence has been uncovered - which turns out to be nothing. Trumps wins.
Ironically, nobody here is parroting right wing talking points moreso than you.
And now you have my visualizing Joe Biden's taint. This makes me uncomfortable. If you ever run for office, I will definitely be bringing this trauma up.
thaiboxerken
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Tara Reade story isn't making an impact on the Biden campaign because it doesn't hold water. Trump is now pivoting to "Obamagate" because of this. In fact, Trump has not said much about the Reade allegations because Trump has 25 credible allegations himself.
Beelzebuddy
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No one's mind is getting changed about candidates, it's a matter of discouraging people from showing up to vote.
TragicMonkey
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Compared to the vastness of eternity our lives are brief and insignificant, and nothing we do will prevent inexorable death and oblivion as the species and all its works inevitably fade away. Nothing matters, ultimately.
Like that?
Most people's minds aren't changed, but a small number of people do shift, or begin to shift over things like this. For me it was one news story that destroyed a few unimportant lives and made me realize that some people on my side didn't really care if the story was true or not so long as it fit their angle. That then got me reading other things a little more critically, once you do that you are off to the races.
Segnosaur
Penultimate Amazing
Opinion polls show:
- Sanders' "medicare for all" (i.e. no private insurance) is possibly the least popular alternative. (More Americans support universal coverage with private options, or even the status-quo, than 'BernieCare')
- While some polls show a majority support for "free college", that support is not universal among all demographics, and the older voters (i.e. the more reliable ones) tend to be against it.
From: Real clear politics
- The majority of Americans (and the majority of independents) view "socialist" (a label that Sanders has used to describe himself) as unfavorable
From NPR
If the "talking heads" are saying "Sanders' policies may not be popular" its not because there is some sort of evil plan for billionaire networks to push their views... its probably because that's what people actually think.
And once again... the problem with many progressive, is that they think "unless you embrace radical far-left policies you hate the poor". (Ignoring the fact that other Democrats, such as Biden, also want to give a "fairer deal", but just using different methods/criteria.)
Biden wants to increase taxes on the wealthy and corporations. Biden wants to provide additional regulations (both economic and environmental). Biden wants to increase health care coverage. Biden wants to provide some free college. In some cases those policies will not be as extreme as those pushed by Sanders, but they certainly will address the "wealth divide" by transferring resources from the wealthy to the poor. And they are all policies that will probably be more acceptable to the electorate than "let me tear down the system to rebuild it in a way that may or may not work".
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wareyin
Penultimate Amazing
We have current participants who have recently stated that they haven't made up their minds which way they'll vote, so I don't know about that. I do know that it's a popular refrain here that we don't just comment for the other posters (most recently seen by me in the Jogging in GA while black thread), and I also know that we as a societal species attempt to use our arguments to persuade others to agree with us on basically every other thing we discuss.
So, in light of the previous paragraph, those claiming they have no agenda or strategy as they repeat already debunked nonsense and outright make up new fabrications are talking out of their posteriors.
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