Biden for President?

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TellyKNeasuss said:
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https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/01/25/joe-biden-2019-profile-grief-beau-car-accident-224178

For whatever reason, Neilia Biden, who was holding the baby, ended up in the right of way of Dunn’s truck coming down a long hill.

“She had a stop sign. The truck driver did not,” Jerome Herlihy told me. He’s a retired judge who then was a deputy attorney general and once was a neighbor to Biden and remains friendly. A pal of Biden at the time asked Herlihy “to go out to the state police troop where the driver of the other vehicle was to make sure everything was going all right,” and so he did. “In the end,” Herlihy said, “I concurred in their decision that there was no fault on his part.
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varwoche said:
How very magnanimous. The allegations are no where near proven by any semi reasonable standard.
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Q. How do you a woman has been raped?

A. Her mother makes an anonymous call to a TV show and says that her daughter has had "problems" that she and her rapist have been unable to work through but that her daughter has too much respect for her rapist to pursue the matter herself.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Being someone under the age of 50, it's fun to delve back into Biden's career and review all the old, bizarre lies he's told.

Here's a fun fact. Biden lied about how his wife and child died in the fatal car accident. He falsely claimed that the other driver, a semi-truck driver named Mr. Dunn, was drunk and caused the accident. On numerous public occasions, Biden claimed that Mr. Dunn was a drunk and negligent driver, and this narrative became widely accepted as true when repeated by journalists through the years.

There is no indication that the driver was drunk. In fact, accident investigations reveal that Mr. Dunn had the right of way and was not at fault for the accident. Mrs. Biden was at fault for the accident when she failed to yield to a tractor-trailer that had the right of way, causing a nasty T-bone accident that unfortunately ended two lives. Mr. Dunn attempted to provide first aid after the accident.

There was never any indication from accident investigators at the time that Mr. Dunn did anything to cause the wreck or was drunk at the time. Biden made this up out of whole cloth.

Biden lied about this for decades, slandering the man until after he had died. He later apologized to the man's daughter for slandering her father as the drunk-driver killer of a Senator's family.

Cool guy.

Doesn't really change the "lesser of two evils" thing, but let's not pretend Biden isn't a turd.
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Upon examining your claims, it's revealed that they're not exactly how you present them.

Biden mentioned the driver of the vehicle that hit Mrs. Biden being "drunk" twice (2001, 2007), not "on numerous public occasions" as you claim:

“It was an errant driver who stopped to drink instead of drive and hit—a tractor-trailer—hit my children and my wife and killed them,” he said.

"…a guy who allegedly—and I never pursued it—drank his lunch instead of eating his lunch, broadsided my family … ”
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It is true the man was likely not drunk, but that does not mean Biden lied. Why? Because that was what Biden heard.
Lou Angeli, a 20-year-old probationary volunteer fireman at the time, was at the scene of the accident and said:

With the focus on the seriously injured Biden family, another firefighter and I attended to Mr. Dunn, who was seated in his truck. He was in shock, and had difficulty understanding me when I explained what had happened. He kept asking the same question over and over. "What am I doing here?"
In regards to intoxication, there was no way to determine if Mr. Dunn had been drinking, since neither of the police officers had breathalyzers aboard their cruisers. His injuries were such that his demeanor was similar to that of someone in a stupor, but those of you who serve in emergency medicine know that such behavior is often presented by victims who are in shock, or perhaps even diabetic.
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If Mr. Dunn was intoxicated, there was no way to determine that at the hospital either, since alcohol blood tests were not mandatory in 1972. The hospital records are missing, as well as the police reports. To be honest, those of us in fire-rescue here in Delaware assumed that Mr. Dunn had been drinking, based on comments made by police officers at the scene. And in the Delaware fire service, rumors travel from station to station like wildfire.
Until he remarried in 1977, whenever Joe Biden attended a public safety event, parade or spoke during a firehouse banquet, police officers and firefighters would approach him and discuss the accident and the tragedy of his wife Neilia and daughter Naomi falling victim to a drunken driver. Imagine how those discussions must have affected the young Senator.
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Biden did not make up the rumors of Dunn being drunk "out of whole cloth". That is what he had heard from those who were there and/or whom he believed had knowledge of it. Were they incorrect? Most likely (no toxicology test was ever performed) but Biden did not know that.

As for you claim that Biden later apologized for "slandering her father", that is also not exactly true.
After Pamela Hamill, Dunn's daughter, saw a clip of Biden mentioning her father allegedly being drunk, on a 2008 episode of Inside Edition she sent a letter demanding an apology. Biden did apologize to her in a letter, but not for "slandering her father":

"I apologize for taking so long to acknowledge your thoughtful and heartfelt note," Biden wrote. "All that I can say is I am sorry for all of us and please know that neither I nor my sons feel any animosity whatsoever."
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Biden spokesman David Wade said Wednesday that the senator "fully accepts the Dunn family's word that these rumors were false."
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Seems to me you are spreading rumors that Biden "lied" about Dunn.
 
Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey
Mrs. Biden failed to stop at a stop sign and got hit by a semi truck.
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TellyKNeasuss said:
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A witness said Mrs. Biden did stop but then pulled out in front of Dunn.

A group of us huddled around an eyewitness, listening to her describe the accident. From her account Neilia Biden was stopped on Valley Road, preparing to cross Limestone Road. The woman recalled that the Biden car began to cross the road, and was struck broadside by a truck driven by Curtis Dunn of nearby Avondale, PA.
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Note that the source provided by Suburban Turkey does not say Mrs. Biden didn't stop. It merely states she had a stop sign and Dunn did not.
 
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Stacyhs said:
Upon examining your claims, it's revealed that they're not exactly how you present them.

Biden mentioned the driver of the vehicle that hit Mrs. Biden being "drunk" twice (2001, 2007), not "on numerous public occasions" as you claim:



It is true the man was likely not drunk, but that does not mean Biden lied. Why? Because that was what Biden heard.
Lou Angeli, a 20-year-old probationary volunteer fireman at the time, was at the scene of the accident and said:





Biden did not make up the rumors of Dunn being drunk "out of whole cloth". That is what he had heard from those who were there and/or whom he believed had knowledge of it. Were they incorrect? Most likely (no toxicology test was ever performed) but Biden did not know that.

As for you claim that Biden later apologized for "slandering her father", that is also not exactly true.
After Pamela Hamill, Dunn's daughter, saw a clip of Biden mentioning her father allegedly being drunk, on a 2008 episode of Inside Edition she sent a letter demanding an apology. Biden did apologize to her in a letter, but not for "slandering her father":





Seems to me you are spreading rumors that Biden "lied" about Dunn.
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Biden repeated the false rumor in 2007, 6 years after being confronted by Dunn's family.

Did he forget it wasn't true?
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Biden repeated the false rumor in 2007, 6 years after being confronted by Dunn's family.

Did he forget it wasn't true?
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Check the dates again. Hamill sent the letter in 2008, a year AFTER Biden's 2007 remark.

You lost the "Biden's got dementia" nonsense. It's time to drop this one, too.
 
Stacyhs said:
A witness said Mrs. Biden did stop but then pulled out in front of Dunn.



Note that the source provided by Suburban Turkey does not say Mrs. Biden didn't stop. It merely states she had a stop sign and Dunn did not.
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The link also says truckers routinely accelerated down the steep hill to get a jump on going up the next steep hill. It could be that she misjudged the speed of the truck.
 
Stacyhs said:
Check the dates again. Hamill sent the letter in 2008, a year AFTER Biden's 2007 remark.

You lost the "Biden's got dementia" nonsense. It's time to drop this one, too.
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Biden spread a vicious rumor that Dunn, as much a victim as Biden's family, caused the accident by drunk driving. The man went to his grave slandered.

The family wrote him in 2001 and took his kind words as a sign that Biden would stop spreading this salacious and untrue rumor, only to suffer hearing it again in 2007.

When the family forced the issue and encouraged news outlets to reexamine the story, they retracted their earlier reporting and cleared Dunn's name. Biden refused to apologize in public.

Real moral clarity from this guy.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Totally unsubstantiated and disputed by the prosecutor in charge of the case.
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Based on the fact that Herlihy did not order a blood test at the hospital on Dunn and no breathalyzer was available at the scene. You cannot charge someone with drunk driving without evidence. Was Dunn drunk? Probably not but that was certainly the rumor that originated from comments made at the scene. Rumors that were repeated to Biden.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Biden spread a vicious rumor that Dunn, as much a victim as Biden's family, caused the accident by drunk driving. The man went to his grave slandered.

The family wrote him in 2001 and took his kind words as a sign that Biden would stop spreading this salacious and untrue rumor, only to suffer hearing it again in 2007.

When the family forced the issue and encouraged news outlets to reexamine the story, they retracted their earlier reporting and cleared Dunn's name. Biden refused to apologize in public.
Real moral clarity from this guy.
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You are wrong: it was 2008.

Daughter of man in ’72 Biden crash seeks apology from widowed Senator

By CARL HAMILTON
SPECIAL TO THE NEWARK POST

Oct 30, 2008
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I can give you several more sources stating Hamill sought an apology in 2008 if that does not suffice.
 
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Stacyhs said:
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You are wrong: it was 2008.



I can give you several more sources stating Hamill sought an apology in 2008 if that does not suffice.
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"In 2001, [Hamill] wrote a heartfelt letter to Biden expressing her father's profound grief after hearing Biden make a post Sept. 11 speech in which he told the audience that, given his history, he could empathize with victims.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/03/19/bidens_memory_isnt_the_only_problem_its_his_lies_142706.html

Hamill wrote in 2001. There seems to have been a misunderstanding, and she understood Biden's "no animosity" statement to mean he'd stop blaming her deceased father.

It wasn't until 2008, after Biden repeated the false story again, that she directly forced the issue.
 
TellyKNeasuss said:
The problem is that the candidates who might have had more potential than Biden for being a very good president might not have been electable. Unfortunately, everything starts with name recognition. Would Trump have gotten elected, or even won the Republican nomination, if he wasn't a TV celebrity?
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I don't believe I had heard of Obama until he ran for POTUS.


Essentially we have a guy who shouldn't be elected running against a POTUS who even more so, shouldn't be POTUS.

Too bad Clinton didn't run again.
 
wareyin said:
We aren't hashing anything out here. On the one hand we have several far lefties who either still think they can get Sanders on the ticket or are still upset at yet another spectacular loss by Sanders, throwing everything they can at the wall to see what sticks wrt Biden. That's not talking anything out to form an agreement, that's a childish temper tantrum that if they can't have their guy they'll do what they can to make everyone have more Trump. On the other hand we have a bunch of people saying to knock it off, we don't want more Trump and you don't either.
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I am (re the highlighted). I want to have the ability to respond to this stuff when other people outside the forum bring it up.

The rest I agree with, Bernie supporters just can't let go. They wanted a candidate that they believe wasn't in the mainstream. I'm not so sure Sanders is that pure but even if he is/was, he can't control the Congress.

I can't see how Sanders would have been the least bit effective as POTUS. I can see how he'd be so demonized as a commie as to allow a Trump a 2nd term.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Dunn was the not-at-fault party in a fatal traffic accident. He wasn't drunk or reckless in any way, and by all accounts was traumatized by the event and had a lot of unearned grief about the two deaths.

Mrs. Biden failed to stop at a stop sign and got hit by a semi truck.

30 years later, after Dunn had died, Biden decided he could punch up his story of personal tragedy by saying Dunn was a drunk-driver.
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We don't know that. However stopped or not, she pulled out when the intersection was not clear. 100% her fault. One of those horrid seconds you cannot take back.
 
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