Biden for President?

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Delphic Oracle said:
Who did he unlawfully attempt to use the powers of his office to get another country to dig dirt up on
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The one with whom the circumstances presented the opportunity do that (and who he had been told all along would definitely be the nominee).

What relevance is that even supposed to have anyway? You can't seriously be claiming that he perceived the law-breaking as some great personal obstacle, a line he wouldn't cross unless pushed in desperation because the foe was just so overwhelmingly formidable, can you? Or that he wouldn't have done the same against Bernie if there'd been an avenue by which he could? He'd break laws to try to have a McDonald's employee "investigated" for giving him a slice of pickle.

Pretending Trump has restraint... when it's supposed to be the Bernie Bros who are too light on Trump... this might be a whole new level for the Biden people to take their pigeon chess to.
 
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Sideroxylon said:
Which policies drive this support, Bob?
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Health care


https://www.kff.org/health-reform/poll-finding/kff-health-tracking-poll-november-2019/

Senator Bernie Sanders is the candidate most trusted on health care by Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents, though the Medicare-for-all plan he’s championed is significantly less popular than the “public option” approach put forward by some other candidates. Among adults overall, a narrow majority (53%) support the idea of a Medicare-for-all plan while a larger majority (65%) say they support a government-run public option that would compete with private insurance. Large majorities of Democrats support both a public option (88%) and Medicare-for-all (77%), and while most Republicans oppose both approaches to expanding coverage, more favor the public option proposal (41%) than a Medicare-for-all plan (27%).
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wareyin said:
I heard a new term for that sort of person today: Bidenista, one who may or may not have supported Biden in the primaries but is definitely in favor of unity in the general election against the other party. The term should be dripping with scorn when used, and be in the same post as a bunch of reasons why we shouldn't vote for the partys candidate.
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By this definition, Bernie Sanders is a Bidenista and Elizabeth Warren isn't.
 
If this virus is no longer a factor come November 3, and Trump stays in harness, the US will truly deserve him. Even cheating by/for him will be no excuse, because 4 long years of awareness will have been wasted while an enabling scumbag in the Senate has been openly and actively thwarting any efforts at buttressing against this. The whole rotten confederacy of criminals have hardly concealed much, cavorting with brazen confidence practically in the open. If this doesn't arouse a sufficient part of the population to get off their collective ass, you lot might as well throw in the towel on democracy.
 
LSSBB said:
He also is successful at building a coalition, and he's not an overgrown man-child. Many on the Democratic side value people who can get a diverse group of viewpoints to unify.
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He also, and this is most important, listens to what people are saying. For example, "I won't touch your health care, but I'll put up an alternative for people who don't have any, and that you can fall back on if you lose what you have now for whatever reason." is actually more popular than "I'll replace private insurance with Medicare." Both are reasonable ways to achieve universal health care, which should be the actual goal, but Sanders seems more interested in getting rid of the insurance companies, wrecking "Big Pharma", and so forth. Same with their environmental ideas - Biden connects his policies to people's concerns, Sanders is more interested in battling "Big Oil".
 
Delvo said:
Assuming nothing wild happens by then to somehow knock Biden off of the ballots, exit polls and subsequent general population polls will show what percentage of Bernie supporters voted for Biden.

The only thing the Biden supporters ever had all along, which I'm sure you already know quite well by now so there's no point in asking as if you didn't:

"ELECTABLE!!!!!!"
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Did it ever occur to you that some people might have preferred Biden for, you know, other reasons than "Gosh he's the most electable"?

Maybe some people like his policies, such as his health care plans to provide near-universal coverage (remember, BernieCare is actually one of the least preferred health care plans), or his plan to expand the use of Nuclear power.

Maybe some people think he did well-enough when serving as VP that they feel he would be capable enough as a president.

Maybe they think his long history of serving with the Democrats will give him more influence in order to push policies through congress (compared to some other candidate, who shall remain nameless, who considers himself "an outsider" and likes to take pot-shots at the "establishment").

While I am sure the issue of "electability" might come into play for some people, its foolish to assume that was the only thing people may have picked Biden for. (And I'm sure electability was a factor with some BernieBros too... just look at how much they crowed over early polls that showed Sanders doing well against Trump.)
 
I hope BernieBros successfully pass through their period of mourning and emerge with some maturing of attitude. Any tendency to cut off the nose to spite the face by sitting out or spoiling a ballot would put to rout their avowed conviction to progress. They must learn that peaceful revolution can be a slow, halting process when the numbers aren't in favor. Inertia takes time to overcome. More and more citizens are desirous of progressive policy. With time, more will be achieved. But more than a modicum of patience is required. In all areas of life, we can't always get what we want when we want it. If the goal is important, then work toward it unflaggingly, and inspire others. Even if it should take a lifetime. Or more.

This November ranks as one of the most crucial elections in American history. I hope all her well meaning citizens recognize this and act.
 
Assuming Biden wins, it's going to be a strange presidency.

His key issue is removing Trump, which he achieves the first second he steps into the white house.

What is his mandate after that? I know he has policies, but it's pretty clear to me that people supporting him don't really care at all about them. 4 years of rudderless ship? 4 years of running headlong into a McConnell brick wall in the Senate and a fractious, inward fighting Democratic party? Gonna be fun!

That's assuming Biden wins of course. If he loses, we have to find HRC 3.0 to launch to run against Trump's illegal third term.
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
Assuming Biden wins, it's going to be a strange presidency.

His key issue is removing Trump, which he achieves the first second he steps into the white house.

What is his mandate after that? I know he has policies, but it's pretty clear to me that people supporting him don't really care at all about them. 4 years of rudderless ship? 4 years of running headlong into a McConnell brick wall in the Senate and a fractious, inward fighting Democratic party? Gonna be fun!

That's assuming Biden wins of course. If he loses, we have to find HRC 3.0 to launch to run against Trump's illegal third term.
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I think the best example of what it would be like is he was advocating for using a tax shelter repatriation rate to finance an infrastructure deal, while Obama economists thought it was a giveaway. Then Trump won and used that money for a tax cut.

But in general, we don't need a president to have legislation. That is Congress' job. Good management of the executive branch is a big deal.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Assuming Biden wins, it's going to be a strange presidency.

His key issue is removing Trump, which he achieves the first second he steps into the white house.

What is his mandate after that? I know he has policies, but it's pretty clear to me that people supporting him don't really care at all about them. 4 years of rudderless ship? 4 years of running headlong into a McConnell brick wall in the Senate and a fractious, inward fighting Democratic party? Gonna be fun!

That's assuming Biden wins of course. If he loses, we have to find HRC 3.0 to launch to run against Trump's illegal third term.
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If Sanders stays true to form, he'll stop being a Dem again within a few months. I don't know how much we can call it infighting when he won't be on the inside anyway.

The Republicans barely control the Senate. If enough voters can put on their big-boy pants and stop voting against their own best interests, McConnell may not control the Senate anymore.
 
wareyin said:
If Sanders stays true to form, he'll stop being a Dem again within a few months. I don't know how much we can call it infighting when he won't be on the inside anyway.

The Republicans barely control the Senate. If enough voters can put on their big-boy pants and stop voting against their own best interests, McConnell may not control the Senate anymore.
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If you think Bernie Sanders is the only dissident voice of significance within the party, you're not paying attention.
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
Assuming Biden wins, it's going to be a strange presidency.

His key issue is removing Trump, which he achieves the first second he steps into the white house.

What is his mandate after that? I know he has policies, but it's pretty clear to me that people supporting him don't really care at all about them. 4 years of rudderless ship? 4 years of running headlong into a McConnell brick wall in the Senate and a fractious, inward fighting Democratic party? Gonna be fun!
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There will never be a stranger presidency than the one we have now, or if there is it will mean that we have devolved into some other system of government.

Biden will be a competent President. He will appoint competent, responsible people to senior positions and support their work. He will appoint moderate, mainstream judges. He will be a voice of calm reason during national crises. If the Democrats don't take back the Senate, he will work with more reasonable Repubs to promote health care reform, infrastructure improvements and more. He will rebuild relations with our allies and end the incumbent's subservience to Putin. Most important, he will provide a stability that allows the rest of us to not even think much about who's in the White House. Revolutionary change will have to wait for somebody else.
 
Bob001 said:
There will never be a stranger presidency than the one we have now, or if there is it will mean that we have devolved into some other system of government.

Biden will be a competent President. He will appoint competent, responsible people to senior positions and support their work. He will appoint moderate, mainstream judges. He will be a voice of calm reason during national crises. If the Democrats don't take back the Senate, he will work with more reasonable Repubs to promote health care reform, infrastructure improvements and more. He will restore relations with our allies and end the incumbent's subservience to Putin. Most important, he will provide a stability that allows the rest of us to not even think much about who's in the White House. Revolutionary change will have to wait for somebody else.
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Sounds like late term Obama. What happened after that? I forget, surely nothing bad though.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
If you think Bernie Sanders is the only dissident voice of significance within the party, you're not paying attention.
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I repeat: Sanders will likely be leaving "the party", therefore he will not be "the only dissident voice within" the party. He will not be within the party at all.

Others, like AOC, appear much more willing to actually work with Biden.
 
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