Biden for President?

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BrooklynBaby said:
Biden told the guy he was going to take the"AR-14s" and later said the AR-15s are illegal. Biden can't find his posterior with both hands. There is no way this bullying loon who has no idea about what is going on in the world will ever be POTUS.
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You are in no position to call anyone a bully until you boot the one in the White House out.
 
Belz... said:
Sanders was always going to be the underdog.
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And I'm getting the impression that's exactly where they want him. All of this might be a feature, not a bug.

As long as Sanders is an "also ran" he can fill role in their narrative he needs them to, a messiah figure that would "fix the system if only get got the chance. And conveniently I'm beginning to think they know as well as we do that he will never get that chance

President Sanders would never live up to the mythology, especially since as already discussed you couldn't design a person who would actually get less done in the climate of Washington D.C. then Bernie Sanders. President Sanders would either look incompetent or have to compromise some of his precious "standards" to get anything done. Either way his followers would smell the blood in the water and eat him alive for not being pure enough.

An idealistic person who you know, even if you don't admit it to others, hell even if you don't admit it to yourself, never has a chance of winning... that person can be your savior forever.

The Left in general is bad about this anyway they define both themselves and the narrative via the whole "underdog" thing it's functionally becoming so they reject anyone who has an actual chance of winning and simply aren't going to be happy until they can run someone who can win while at the same time have no chance of winning.

That's what happens when you start to build more and more of your party's self identity on "Power is bad" it kind of doesn't leave you much of a way to get power.
 
JoeMorgue said:
President Sanders would never live up to the mythology, especially since as already discussed you couldn't design a person who would actually get less done in the climate of Washington D.C. then Bernie Sanders.
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Who told you this?

Seriously, the man has been battling against the establishment, and winning political fights all of his life.

The "He's not a decent political operator" is straight out of the electric cool aid dispenser.


The whole western world needs a new standard for journalism, because what we have now only works for those that own it.
 
3point14 said:
The whole western world needs a new standard for journalism, because what we have now only works for those that own it.
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Do you just cut and paste the "If it weren't the Fake News then you'd see Dear Leader for what his really is?" screeds directly from the Trumpers or do you write your own?
 
3point14 said:
So, it's Biden then, I'm reading? Is this accurate?

That was a close one. The owners of the USA might have had a tricky time for a while there. dodged a bullet, I feel.
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Yes.

Sanders supports, including myself, who have been slaughtering electrons going on about Democrats addressing the weaknesses and avoiding the mistakes that the party made in 2016 need to come to terms with the fact that it is becoming more and more obvious that Sanders has not addressed his 2016 weaknesses or avoided the mistakes he made in 2016.

In 2016 he was slaughtered in early primaries in the South and was more or less mathematically eliminated. In 2020, well...

He had four years to address his lack of support among black Democrats, and has done next to zero to do so. He seems to be convinced that since on the whole black Democrats like his policies more that should be the end of it. It isn't. The relationship black Democrats have with the party is, especially in the south, something it appears Sanders still doesn't get.

I'd assumed he'd addressed this in some meaningful way, but it appears I was dead wrong. There are going to be a lot of Sanders supporters, mostly white, saying either directly or by vague implication that it is the fault of the black vote that Bernie lost, and not the fault of Bernie for not speaking to their concerns.

Sanders is not going to lose this primary because of some concerted DNC effort to whatever. That wasn't going to keep him from getting wrecked in the south. He's going to lose it because he didn't manage to fix his biggest weakness from last time, and that is 100% on him.
 
It really comes down to an intense generational divide.

Polling shows that Bernie overwhelmingly popular with people under 45. Biden overwhelming popular among those over 45.

Seems like an irreconcilable difference. May just have to wait for this generation to die off before any meaningful reform can occur.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Do you just cut and paste the "If it weren't the Fake News then you'd see Dear Leader for what his really is?" screeds directly from the Trumpers or do you write your own?
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No, this is all my own work.

I think you're wrong. I think you're wrong due to lousy, biased propaganda disguised as journalism.

That my comment takes a similar form to other, less accurate comments is not a criticism I find valid.

I note you didn't answer the question - hell you didn't even quote it - but I don't really mind.
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
It really comes down to an intense generational divide.

Polling shows that Bernie overwhelmingly popular with people under 45. Biden overwhelming popular among those over 45.
Seems like an irreconcilable difference. May just have to wait for this generation to die off before any meaningful reform can occur.
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Which is great. But instead of just waiting for the over 45s to die (and seriously, is Bernie going to be around when they are gone?), why not get the under 45s out to vote!
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
It really comes down to an intense generational divide.

Polling shows that Bernie overwhelmingly popular with people under 45. Biden overwhelming popular among those over 45.

Seems like an irreconcilable difference. May just have to wait for this generation to die off before any meaningful reform can occur.
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That's fancy way of saying "That's weird. The people who actually vote seem to be the only ones who keep getting what they want."
 
angrysoba said:
Which is great. But instead of just waiting for the over 45s to die (and seriously, is Bernie going to be around when they are gone?), why not get the under 45s out to vote!
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I wish I could. I knocked on doors. I'm not a non-voting young person, so I can't explain why they are so disinclined to pry boomer hands off the levers of power.

Biden supporters ready to dance on the grave of Sanders' campaign should also remember that they will inherit this low voter turnout. Party unity means these disenchanted Sanders people are now even more disenchanted Biden people. Congrats!

If Sanders can't get them out to vote, Biden definitely can't. Hope you old boys can do it on your own, there's a lot riding on it.
 
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JoeMorgue said:
And I'm getting the impression that's exactly where they want him. All of this might be a feature, not a bug.
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Eh. Biden is going to go from a borderline afterthought to a mathematical lock without having to really be a front runner and deal with the scrutiny that comes with it.

Which is nice for him, but a little scary.
 
Belz... said:
It's also saying "people who disagree with me should die off."
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I'm not advocating a culling. Just acknowledging that eventually this unusually large and influential cohort will eventually die. The baby boom was a truly strange event that has had a lot of reverberations.
 
Belz... said:
Hence my use of "die off".

I just don't know why you're so hostile to Baby Boomers.
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Probably because they inherited a prosperous society and handed us over this pile of crap. They have been abysmal stewards of the tremendous gifts they are given, and are totally unapologetic about it.

I swear to God if I hear another story about how some dimwit from the 60's worked part time to pay their college tuition I'm going to pop. Maybe it's because I keep getting asked by clueless Boomers why I'm not having kids while my wife and I are paying 1/3 of our income aggressively towards student debt. If nothing bad happens, we might finally be debt free in our 40's. Just in time for infertility to kick in.
 
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Belz... said:
I just don't know why you're so hostile to Baby Boomers.
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Because as a demographic, talking as a demographic and only as a demographic they really, really suck and have done a lot of damage.

Not all of it of their own doing, but certain things just aren't going to get better while they are in charge.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Surely the question isn't whether the guy thought the threat to be real and that Biden would win in a fight, but whether it's a good thing for a potential presidential candidate to be offering to fight anybody?

I know that the bar has been lowered considerably in the last few years, but is it really okay for the president to be the kind of person who responds to someone saying something that they don't like with threats of physical violence? This is one of the things Trump is criticised for (although he only does it from a distance, never actually in someone's face). Should people stop criticising Trump for it because it's actually okay after all?
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One might point out that the man in question was right up in Bidens' grill when the exchange took place. And, indeed, called out Biden with an accusation right from the start. Was as tall as Biden, and thirty to forty years younger.
Biden is clearly no threat to the mans' person, yet need not allow himself to be berated due to that.

Trump would never react in that manner, IMO, when his adversary was right in his face.
 
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