Biden for President?

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Cain said:
It's perfectly acceptable to have a senile or mentally ill man as president provided he's from the right political party.
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To de-Cain a Caining... ;)

Assuming for a moment an equal degree of senility, we have on the one hand a malignant narcissist devoid of empathy who is more feared than loved, and on the other hand a loved, empathetic human being who wears his heart on his sleeve. Choosing between these two is a no-brainer, even if both have no brains.
 
What is this American obsession with putting old fogies into the White House?

Do they fear another "Zippergate" more than incompetence?
 
Practically guaranteed failure; the only reason to nominate him is to deliberately throw it for the Republican.

One general reason for that is, of course, the fact that a "centrist" (or actually just plain conservative) Democrat campaign simply never works.

But also, more specific to him individually, "gaffe" is the wrong word for his "gaffes". A gaffe is supposed to be something uncommon that occasionally happens to somebody who usually does better in general. But for him, that kind of stuff is normal. What's rare for him is when he does manage to appear to have his act together for a while.
 
Delvo said:
But also, more specific to him individually, "gaffe" is the wrong word for his "gaffes". A gaffe is supposed to be something uncommon that occasionally happens to somebody who usually does better in general. But for him, that kind of stuff is normal. What's rare for him is when he does manage to appear to have his act together for a while.
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Biden does seem much more collected when he's plagiarizing other people's political speeches. He should probably do that more often, but what with Google and all it's not as easy to get away with it these days.
 
Delvo said:
But also, more specific to him individually, "gaffe" is the wrong word for his "gaffes". A gaffe is supposed to be something uncommon that occasionally happens to somebody who usually does better in general. But for him, that kind of stuff is normal. What's rare for him is when he does manage to appear to have his act together for a while.
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I thought the election of Donald Trump has abolished the concept of "gaffe" - I mean rather hard to see Biden out-trumping Trump in craziness.
 
llwyd said:
I thought the election of Donald Trump has abolished the concept of "gaffe" - I mean rather hard to see Biden out-trumping Trump in craziness.
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It's not surprising on the Republican side. Less-educated and rural people have for years enjoyed wrapping themselves up in the identity of the unsophisticated down-to-earth mentality, not merely accepting mistakes but even highlighting & exaggerating them, treating them as signs of being more open & trustworthy & friendly than those pretentious elitists with their constant need to seem flawless & superior. Comedians like Jeff Foxworthy, Bill Engvall, Larry the Cable Guy, and Ron White (and others dating all the way back to the TV series Hee Haw at least) aren't popular because they make fun of somebody "else" to their audience; they're popular because what they joke about is something their audience can identify with. The Democrats' collective self-image has no equivalent type for him to cheerily fit into. (And even if it did, he might be too far gone even for that, or look to scared when he knows it's happening to him instead of making a joke out of it.)
 
Maybe keep him away from situations where he has to talk too much on taxing subjects. Will keep the number of gaffes and sundowning moments from growing that the Trump campaign will exploit.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Biden does seem much more collected when he's plagiarizing other people's political speeches. He should probably do that more often, but what with Google and all it's not as easy to get away with it these days.
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Yeah, Melania learned that the hard way.
 
Lurch said:
To de-Cain a Caining... ;)

Assuming for a moment an equal degree of senility, we have on the one hand a malignant narcissist devoid of empathy who is more feared than loved, and on the other hand a loved, empathetic human being who wears his heart on his sleeve. Choosing between these two is a no-brainer, even if both have no brains.
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Another thing to take into consideration is that Biden would listen to his advisers. Unlike Trump, he does not believe he is a 'stable genius' who knows more about everything than anyone else.
 
Stacyhs said:
Another thing to take into consideration is that Biden would listen to his advisers. Unlike Trump, he does not believe he is a 'stable genius' who knows more about everything than anyone else.
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So Biden just needs to smile and shake hands while people in the background make all the decisions. Sounds perfect.
 
Lurch said:
To de-Cain a Caining... ;)

Assuming for a moment an equal degree of senility, we have on the one hand a malignant narcissist devoid of empathy who is more feared than loved, and on the other hand a loved, empathetic human being who wears his heart on his sleeve. Choosing between these two is a no-brainer, even if both have no brains.
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My comment was directed at both Trump and Biden. Biden may or may not be senile, but Trump is mentally ill (and possibly senile). Someone described the president's pathologies as "towering." So, yeah, in that battle, Biden is undoubtedly better than the current White House occupant. But so what? When McCain was nominated, critics rightfully pointed out that he was old (72 at the time). This country has hundreds of millions of people! Joe Biden. He'll just be a figurehead anyway.


Biden sometimes looks like he's six months away from Billy Burr's impression of an old, old man:

 
Stacyhs said:
Yeah, Melania learned that the hard way.
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I expect this is supposed to be a "what aboutism" but it doesn't really work as their careers and standing are so different. She married a guy nobody ever thought would hold an elected position. Biden's a career politician who's held office and run for office for what, fifty years now? He should definitely be held to a much higher standard. I'm not sure her English is ever good enough to write a speech. As much as I detest our mad king and have contempt for our foreign queen I think her cribbing a speech is small potatoes in the grander scheme. Plagiarism speaks to character and we already know her character: golddigger. She's not running for office, so what does she matter?

Biden, however, is running for office and he's got a track record of foolishly obvious dishonesty demonstrated in repeated incidents of plagiarism. That's much more damning.
 
Cabbage said:
And once again, you make it partisan. There are ignorant people in any group of significant size, obviously.

Including the right and the GOP, for damn sure.
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Dudalb expressed surprise that it was happening on the left. I was addressing his surprise specifically, about the left specifically. Dudalb drew a partisan distinction where you and I agree there is none.
 
Lots of focus on "gaffes" and handwaving them away as perhaps even part of his folksy charm.

But there's tales made up out of whole cloth (arrested in S.A. trying to see Mandela) and innumerable statements where he shows his contempt for progressive values.

Dementia would almost seem to be the less concerning reason to explain those, do you still want to back away from that explanation for such cases?
 
Cain said:
My comment was directed at both Trump and Biden. Biden may or may not be senile, but Trump is mentally ill (and possibly senile). Someone described the president's pathologies as "towering." So, yeah, in that battle, Biden is undoubtedly better than the current White House occupant. But so what? When McCain was nominated, critics rightfully pointed out that he was old (72 at the time). This country has hundreds of millions of people! Joe Biden. He'll just be a figurehead anyway.


Biden sometimes looks like he's six months away from Billy Burr's impression of an old, old man:

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That last statement nails it.
Wether he has actual, clinical, dimentia matters not one whit. The downfall is that he is presenting as someone whose tank is on "E".

He needs to be kept out of the public eye as much as someone running for POTUS can be. A vibrant V.P., selected early, could get out there and draw some of the fire.
 
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