Biden for President?

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theprestige said:
Twenty years from now, the world will be trundling along much the same as it would have without the Trump presidency. And you'll still be insisting that 2016 was the year the world ended.
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Is the end of the world the bar?

If anyone or anything falls short of the ending of the world, then any worry about it during or before it a happened is unwarranted?
 
TokenMac said:
Is the end of the world the bar?

If anyone or anything falls short of the ending of the world, then any worry about it during or before it a happened is unwarranted?
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I'm addressing uk2ese's consistently hyperbolic commenatary on the US political situation. If you don't think his level of concern is warranted, take it up with him, not me.

ETA: And if you go back and read my post all the way through, you'll see that my bar is actually "the world will be trundling along much the same as it would have without the Trump presidency". So, again, take up your concern about "end of the world" rhetoric with the people actually spouting that rhetoric.
 
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LSSBB said:
Obama was, and is, a Cook County politician. Words are the colors they paint with, not promises they engrave in stone. That, above all, is why I never voted for him. Does Biden come from a similar political breeding ground?
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Words not promises?

Could you translate this please. Thanks.
 
wareyin said:
...Trump is a result of the backlash to Obama. The Obama presented to the Right Wing News Machine audience was a radical leftist socialist, not to mention a black man who was hostile to the white race.
We didn't get Trump as a backlash to an empty husk, we got Trump as a backlash to a perceived progressive who had the gall to be black and give marriage to them homosexuals and give us that socialist Obamacare (which was much worse than the ACA!)
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And that was pounded and pounded on in a massive relentless campaign of lies that continues to this day.
 
wareyin said:
Right now the world is vastly worse than it would have been without a Trump presidency, so are we hoping Biden wins and gets us back on track?
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I would say we hope Biden can clean up the mess Trump has made gutting every office/department he could get his hands on, firing any and everyone that offended him or disagreed with him or questioned his ignorance, or didn't praise him every time they crossed his path.

Those replacements included Fox News stars and other unqualified persons as Trump ran out of those "best people" and dug deeper and deeper into his realm of so-called friends.
 
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wareyin said:
The Obama presented to the Right Wing News Machine audience was a radical leftist socialist
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I wonder where they got that idea.

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theprestige said:
Twenty years from now, the world will be trundling along much the same as it would have without the Trump presidency. .....
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You can't know that. You can never know how an alternative history would have played out. If Nixon hadn't stolen the election from Humphrey in 1968, there would have been no Watergate, no Constitutional crisis, no resignation, an earlier end to the Vietnam war, and probably no President Carter or President Reagan. If Gore had won in Florida, chances are he would have taken warnings about an imminent terrorist threat more seriously, he wouldn't have supported fat tax cuts and huge budget deficits, and he would have moved forward to fight climate change. Trump's right-wing federal judges will shape the judiciary for decades. His gutting of professionalism throughout the government might never be undone. Good relations with our allies will take years to rebuild. His promotion of racism and white nationalism wrecked a half-century of social progress. His support of huge tax cuts for the richest people in the world expanded our budget deficitis and made wealth inequality worse. It's impossible to believe any other President would have dealt with the covid crisis as negligently, with over 50,000 U.S. deaths today. And you don't have to imagine a world where Clinton had won. No responsible conservative -- Romney, McCain, Jeb Bush, even Chris Christie or Nikki Haley -- would ever have done what Trump does every day. And we will pay a high price for a long time.
 
Bob001 said:
You can't know that. You can never know how an alternative history would have played out. If Nixon hadn't stolen the election from Humphrey in 1968, there would have been no Watergate, no Constitutional crisis, no resignation, an earlier end to the Vietnam war, and probably no President Carter or President Reagan. If Gore had won in Florida, chances are he would have taken warnings about an imminent terrorist threat more seriously, he wouldn't have supported fat tax cuts and huge budget deficits, and he would have moved forward to fight climate change. Trump's right-wing federal judges will shape the judiciary for decades. His gutting of professionalism throughout the government might never be undone. Good relations with our allies will take years to rebuild. His promotion of racism and white nationalism wrecked a half-century of social progress. His support of huge tax cuts for the richest people in the world expanded our budget deficitis and made wealth inequality worse. It's impossible to believe any other President would have dealt with the covid crisis as negligently, with over 50,000 U.S. deaths today. And you don't have to imagine a world where Clinton had won. No responsible conservative -- Romney, McCain, Jeb Bush, even Chris Christie or Nikki Haley -- would ever have done what Trump does every day. And we will pay a high price for a long time.
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I have no opinion on that
 
Bob001 said:
You can't know that. You can never know how an alternative history would have played out. If Nixon hadn't stolen the election from Humphrey in 1968, there would have been no Watergate, no Constitutional crisis, no resignation, an earlier end to the Vietnam war, and probably no President Carter or President Reagan. If Gore had won in Florida, chances are he would have taken warnings about an imminent terrorist threat more seriously, he wouldn't have supported fat tax cuts and huge budget deficits, and he would have moved forward to fight climate change. Trump's right-wing federal judges will shape the judiciary for decades. His gutting of professionalism throughout the government might never be undone. Good relations with our allies will take years to rebuild. His promotion of racism and white nationalism wrecked a half-century of social progress. His support of huge tax cuts for the richest people in the world expanded our budget deficitis and made wealth inequality worse. It's impossible to believe any other President would have dealt with the covid crisis as negligently, with over 50,000 U.S. deaths today. And you don't have to imagine a world where Clinton had won. No responsible conservative -- Romney, McCain, Jeb Bush, even Chris Christie or Nikki Haley -- would ever have done what Trump does every day. And we will pay a high price for a long time.
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What high price are we paying for what Trump does every day?

I can see maybe an argument that we're going to pay a high price for a long time, because of Trump's assassination of an Iranian terrorist commander. But that's not really an "every day" event.

Drone strikes probably aren't quite a daily thing, but they're common enough I guess. Are we paying a high price for those? I'm not sure. Anyway, they're something it seems pretty much any president, right or left, would be doing.

Challenging the idea that the mainstream media is competent and trustworthy? The only people paying the high price for that are the mainstream media themselves. And that's pretty much a "lol get rekt; learn to code" situation as far as I'm concerned.
 
Dr. Keith said:
See, that's part of what makes him so electable: the last guy who was elected had similar allegations against him. That is just what American voters want, stop asking for better.
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It's something voters are willing to put up with in some circumstances, anyway.

What makes Biden electable is the circumstances in which voters are willing to put up with such allegations about him. Given the right circumstances, Biden could shoot someone on 5th Avenue, and still be electable.
 
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theprestige said:
What high price are we paying for what Trump does every day?

I can see maybe an argument that we're going to pay a high price for a long time, because of Trump's assassination of an Iranian terrorist commander. But that's not really an "every day" event.

Drone strikes probably aren't quite a daily thing, but they're common enough I guess. Are we paying a high price for those? I'm not sure. Anyway, they're something it seems pretty much any president, right or left, would be doing.

Challenging the idea that the mainstream media is competent and trustworthy? The only people paying the high price for that are the mainstream media themselves. And that's pretty much a "lol get rekt; learn to code" situation as far as I'm concerned.
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The price we pay is deaths.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thebulwark.com/the-ten-weeks-that-lost-the-war/?amp
 
LSSBB said:
Oh gee, what's tens of thousands among presidents.
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That is exactly the question.

Are you saying it's not a cost? No ongoing effects? Even when it looks we will outpace the Vietnam War, for it's full run, in just a few months?
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I'm saying twenty years from now, the ongoing effects will be far lest drastic than uke2se's apocalyptic fantasies predict. And that when that time comes, uke2se will still be insisting the apocalypse happened.
 
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