Biden/Clinton 2016? Please, let it be so!

Bill, I don't suppose you'd be willing to consider why the same behavior in other people fails to generate the same personal loathing.

It is reprehensible in all who exhibit it, but why your disproportionate response?
 
daredelvis said:
......I'll even throw in Paul "I have a B.S. in Economics, and I think Atlas Shrugged is a text book" Ryan.....
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Actually, quite a few people, including Ryan, have been warning the Admin that Atlas Shrugged is NOT as text book in methods of collectivist success, but dreary failures though such policies.

Not that they listen.
 
MG1962 said:
Hilary wont make the big play - I have a feeling she might be battling some long term health issue - recent interviews she has been looking terrible
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That's too bad. I saw Bill Clinton in person recently, and he was really shaky too. I don't think that either of them are the type that will take it easy and relax, rather than continue on their frenetic career pace at the expense of their health.
 
What Biden actually said was:
That's a great question, no really, it is; and I really wish that there were more people in the media who would ask questions like that, as you just did. Look, here's the deal: This election--and I mean the presidential election of 2012, now--is about Barack Obama and all of the incredible things he's accomplished. If you look at the record, I think you have to agree that he has done a fantastic job, simply a fantastic job, and has done it in spite of some serious foot-dragging and nay-saying by the Republicans. But the truth of the matter is that Barack Obama has done a fantastic job. You know, things haven't always been easy, and there have been people who were not only hoping, even saying out loud, that Barack Obama would fail, but these same people were actively working and donating money to making sure that he would fail, so that they could claim that it was all his fault, instead of their fault, which of course it was. And I think that's despicable. But Barack Obama has come through it all, and has shown he's the better man, and has actually achieved several accomplishments that many people thought would be impossible; but he did them, and he did them well; and the country will be the better for them; and I honestly believe in my heart that when the American People go to the polls in November, they will remember these accomplishments, and will exercise their rights to vote to show their thanks to Barack Obama and their confidence that he is the man who will best lead this country for the next four years. And it's important, I think, to emphasize what the next four years will mean. It will mean economic recovery; it will mean fiscal responsibility; it will mean improved infrastructure; it will mean a strong and respected military; it will mean a robust foreign policy; it will mean a commitment to domestic peace and justice and human rights; it will mean a re-establishment of moral standing in the world for the United States; and this is just some of what it will mean. Of course, as Americans, we know that there will always be work to do, and when Barack Obama leaves office in 2017, as the Constitution requires him to do, there will still be work to be done, though we will surely be on the best path. Some have suggested that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is the logical choice to take up the reins, and some have suggested that I might be in the best position to assume that role. I think we may run as a team, for all I know, Biden-Clinton, or Clinton-Biden, it doesn't really matter; what matters is that the policies of Barack Obama continue for the benefit of the American People. See, here's the deal: Whoever is running in 2016 isn't as important as who is running in 2012, and the man running in 2012 is Barack Obama, who has some absolutely exceptional accomplishments under his belt, and has more things he'd like to do. And what he wants, of course, is a mandate from the American People to go do them. He wants that mandate, he needs that mandate, and--do you know what?--I think he's gonna get that mandate in November, because he has done one hell of a job for this amazing country of ours, and the voters are going to step into the polling booths, or polling places, or whatever, and say, "Thanks, Barack Obama! Thanks for working so hard for us! We think you deserve another four years!" That's what the American People are going to say. I really believe that.
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This was in response to the reporter's question, "Would you like a glass of water before we start?"
 
I think we live in a different era than the era where politicians like Hillary can raise to the presidency. In the world we live today, people like her -- I mean her true nature -- cannot be hidden and masked by the facade she shows the world during speeches and interviews. In the world of the internet, the truth seems to come out.

Kind of like the Blogs VS. Dan Rather and that phoney letter from W.'s base commander. Remember that?

Hillary thinks, like many old-school politicians and business folks, that she can elbow her way to the top and keep her true crude, immoral nature under wraps.
 
gnome said:
Bill, I don't suppose you'd be willing to consider why the same behavior in other people fails to generate the same personal loathing.

It is reprehensible in all who exhibit it, but why your disproportionate response?
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Without you giving me a specific example, I do not know how to respond. What other person has made it to the top lately who is like this?

By the way, I do not support any political figure in the public eye right now. So I have no idea what you are talking about.
 
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that'll teach me to click on the link without checking to see who the OP was.

Record's intact
 
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Bill Thompson said:
But it is worse than swearing. She treats staff like trash in a really unforgivable way.
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I just did a google search for examples of Hillary treating her staff like trash and came up with only one hate piece from the FreeRepublic.

So can your sources go public on this? How about a link? Or is this just another of your wild, unfounded claims which you will make no effort to support?
 
Since folks have wondered about foul language in the White House, let's just say that quite a few executives have been known for salty speech. Harry S Truman (the 33rd President) was known for using strong language, some of it directed at Gen. Douglas MacArthur. Dwight Eisenhower (the 34rd President) was a military man as was his right-hand guy (Gen. Adams); both were observed to utter a few words of military frankness but kept a good face in public. John F. Kennedy (the 35th President) was known to be crude in private even if he was gracious in public. Many were shocked when his press secretary Pierre Salinger quoted Kennedy's words at the advent of the Missile Crisis; Kennedy had faked an illness as a pretext to return to the White House, and when Salinger asked what was going on, Kennedy said that when Salinger found out, he (Salinger) would grab his (Salinger's), er, testicles. Lyndon B. Johnson and Richard M. Nixon (numbers 36 and 37) were legendary for their crudity. Both of them were recorded saying very base things to their staff, but Nixon got the worst of the publicity. Gerald R. Ford and Jimmy Carter (numbers 38 and 39) both used language that was mild by comparison; Carter raised a few eyebrows when he told a reporter, on the record, that if Edward Kennedy were to challenge Carter for the nomination, "I'll whip his ass." (Kennedy did run, and Carter did whip his ass.) Ronald Reagan (number 40) mostly watched his language in the White House, but had a history of cursing when he muffed his lines or got frustrated; he also got caught on an open mike referring to people as "sonsabitches." George H.W. (Elder) Bush and Bill Clinton (numbers 41 and 42) were known to speak crudely in private although they watched their language in public; though Elder Bush did get caught at an open mike commenting upon the qualifications of some attendees. George W. Bush (number 43) had a vice president who elevated the "F" word to public discourse. Bush too was known to speak Texas-style about certain matters of national concern. It was reported that Bush dismissed the PDB given to him in August 2001 with the words, "You've covered your ass now."

Other candidates for the office of the presidency have had incidents of naughty language. In addition to the "honorable" Mr. Cheney, other VPs have delved into crudity. An open mike caught Biden using an indecency to describe the importance of health care; Al Gore reported used the word "goddamn" to make points to Clinton; Nelson Rockefeller rebutted a heckler by giving him the finger.
 
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BenBurch said:
Results are all I care about.

If she gets results, and you tell me she is drunk every night, I'd send her a case of whatever she drinks.
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Yep, whatever it takes to get those trains running on time...

(Not a Godwin, it was Mussolini :P )
 
None of those quotes from Hillary are particularly disqualifying as far as I'm concerned (even if true). Now, you ought to give a listen to Richard Nixon talking about the Jews, and Billy Graham agreeing, if you want some really bad stuff from high-placed politician. And you can hear it on tape in his own voice, rather than filtered through the imagination of Barbara Olsen.
 
I have to be honest...

I've never been a fan of Hillary personally. I respect her as a politician and I think she has done a good job as Secretary of State. I have no illusions about the egos of people in power. I don't condone her treatment of staff if that is true.
 
It's the 21st century, Bill. People - even women - swear.
 
jhunter1163 said:
I'll concede you that point.
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:)

The one guy who might have generated mild excitement, Christie, wisely chose not to run given winning is hardly a sure thing, and getting re-nominated in 4 years to try again after flopping is even harder.
 
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