Bible older than we thought?

[lightfire22000]

All of those were invented in Mesopotamia with the exception of paper making which was invented in China around the 2nd century AD, Paper takes its name from Egyptian papyrus, but it wasn't invented by them.
True the egyptians did invent the 365 day year but as the mesopotamian timed their year on the vernal rising of the Pleaides they had a year which was 365.256 363 051 days long. Or to simplify, one actual year exactly. They actually orientated their temples to face the rising position and split their year into 360 days plus some change. The change was when they considered the Gods had abandoned them and everyone got drunk and didn't do any work until the priests said it was safe to do so as the gods had returned. This had the advantage of their years always being accurate and served as a chronological mooring point to time their lunar and ritual calendars on. Other cultures messed around by having to add an extra day every few years to make up the loss, including the egyptians

no prize this time
sorry

Uhh...The Egyptians used papyrus for writing long before 100 A.D. You still have to acknowledge mathematics, simple machines, medicine, boats, and much more. The Ebers papyrus contains the earliest known roots of a Scientific Method.

 

[Marduk]

Uhh...The Egyptians used papyrus for writing long before 100 A.D. You still have to acknowledge mathematics, simple machines, medicine, boats, and much more. The Ebers papyrus contains the earliest known roots of a Scientific Method.

Papyrus isn't paper, all the other things you have mentioned were not egyptian inventions. I stated that, so I did acknowledge that they did not originate in egypt.

The Ebers papyrus contains the earliest known roots of a Scientific Method.

no it doesn't, there are numerous examples of science from ancient Sumer (3000bce) and there is a medical text actually called "Treatise of Medical Diagnosis and Prognosis." which is babylonian and dates from 1600bce (50 years older than the Ebers papyrus)
Doctors were active in Mesopotamia using empirical medicine before Egypt existed.

 

[babbits]

Waterfella says:

"what was darwins, newtons, einsteins, copernicus, descartes, galileos, etc beliefs?"

They were atheists, except Newton. In those days, intelligent people lied if they wanted to survive. So they just pretended. No one was safe from Christian dogma and intellectual domination. Even the Holy Roman Emperor Frederick was excommunicated, and his subjects were excommunicated with him. His subjects ordered to rebel against Frederick in order to be reinstated. (If you die excommunicated, you go straight to hell, of course.) So 'good and holy' pope Alexander III was quite prepared to send a whole nation of innocent people to hell for eternity of torture if they wouldn't rebel against their king -- who had been crowned Holy Roman Emperor by the previous pope! And in fact all his subjects who died between the time of Frederick's excommunication and his grovelling apology to Alexander III (who put his foot on Frederick's head as the final humiliation) are in hell now.

Copernicus had the first edition of his theory placed in his dying hands. He wouldn't permit its publication until he knew he was dying, because he didn't want to burn.

Newton may have been a Unitarian. But he didn't advertise that fact, or he would have lost his position with the Royal Society (chartered in 1662). The Royal Society was supported financially by the Crown, and the king or queen was the head of the Church of England.

The Established Church of England was of course Trinitarian. Unitarianism was a heresy. For which the noted scientist Bruno was convicted and burned at the stake. Bruno also said and wrote that the earth was a satellite of the sun, not the other way round. He was ordered to recant, but unlike Galileo, wouldn't.

(Galileo lied when he denied to the Inquisition what he had previously written. He did it to save his life from a horrible ending.)

Galileo was sentenced to house arrest for the remainder of his life, for the same belief that Copernicus believed, but at least he wasn't burned alive.

No pope has ever admitted that the earth circles the sun; one pope has said, though, that the jury of clerics who, under the pope, tried Galileo, had been ill-advised.

No apology for the murder of Bruno, though.

Christianity led Western Europe into the Dark Ages, and she only emerged from it after the Reformation, which splintered the totalitarian hold that Christianity had over the minds and bodies of Europe.

 

[lightfire22000]

Waterfella says:

"what was darwins, newtons, einsteins, copernicus, descartes, galileos, etc beliefs?"

They were atheists, except Newton. In those days, intelligent people lied if they wanted to survive. So they just pretended. No one was safe from Christian dogma and intellectual domination. Even the Holy Roman Emperor Frederick was excommunicated, and his subjects were excommunicated with him. His subjects ordered to rebel against Frederick in order to be reinstated. (If you die excommunicated, you go straight to hell, of course.) So 'good and holy' pope Alexander III was quite prepared to send a whole nation of innocent people to hell for eternity of torture if they wouldn't rebel against their king -- who had been crowned Holy Roman Emperor by the previous pope! And in fact all his subjects who died between the time of Frederick's excommunication and his grovelling apology to Alexander III (who put his foot on Frederick's head as the final humiliation) are in hell now.

Copernicus had the first edition of his theory placed in his dying hands. He wouldn't permit its publication until he knew he was dying, because he didn't want to burn.

Newton may have been a Unitarian. But he didn't advertise that fact, or he would have lost his position with the Royal Society (chartered in 1662). The Royal Society was supported financially by the Crown, and the king or queen was the head of the Church of England.

I think Newton was almost a throwback to the Gnostics.

 

[Brian-M]

I am hard pushed to think of anything in the modern world that was inherited from the Egyptians

anyone help ?

Coin-operated vending machines. Seriously.

http://www.smith.edu/hsc/museum/ancient_inventions/hsc18b.htm

 

[ddt]

Coin-operated vending machines. Seriously.

http://www.smith.edu/hsc/museum/ancient_inventions/hsc18b.htm

That's a great site! Another nice one is the folding stool, dated to 2000 BC. Virtually unchanged in 4000 years.

 

[Marduk]

Coin-operated vending machines. Seriously.

http://www.smith.edu/hsc/museum/ancient_inventions/hsc18b.htm

The name of the Greek inventor not giving you a clue as to why its not qualified then

 

[Marduk]

That's a great site! Another nice one is the folding stool, dated to 2000 BC. Virtually unchanged in 4000 years.

the King shown here on the right using the worlds first flush toilet and suddenly realising that bog roll won't be invented for another three thousand years, Akkadian 2400bce

the cuneiform on the right decribes his anguish
"Attendant, Attendant, I have been sat here so long I have tag nuts"
and the faithful servants reply on the left
"thats ok my liege I have a workman here with a variety of chipping tools"

 

[ddt]

the King shown here on the right using the worlds first flush toilet and suddenly realising that bog roll won't be invented for another three thousand years, Akkadian 2400bce
[qimg]http://conspiracyclothes.com/the2012deception/wp-content/themes/HallOfCostumes/HallOfCostumes/images/243.jpg[/qimg]

What's your claim? Your picture doesn't show the same design as mine.

 

[Hlafordlaes]

As for who first invented what and where, it's useful to think in terms of who first successfully contributed to accumulated and wide-spread knowledge. The Chinese invented many things first, yet like the first clock, they were given to the emperor and passed into oblivion. Didn't help that the Middle Kingdom thought itself the center of the world and saw no interest in spreading the word. First to invent paper? OK. First to change the world with flexible and portable writing? Nope. Plenty of other isolated advances that went nowhere in Africa and America.

The Greeks got a jump start from surrounding civilizations, but their body of work was the first one to constitute a true knowledge explosion, and lasting base, for humanity.

 

[Slayhamlet]

Also, note the similarity between the words theos and Zeus.

The similarity is merely incidental, as they're not etymologically related.

Ζεύς is, however, etymologically related to the Greek word δῖος meaning "divine" or "godlike", as in the famous epithet δῖος Ἀχιλλεύς "godlike Achilles". Ζεύς is also related to the Latin deus "god", both being derived from the same Indo-European root. But θεός is from a completely different root.

 

[Bob Klase]

I am hard pushed to think of anything in the modern world that was inherited from the Egyptians

Nothing at all? Not a single thing?

your original post was attempting to point out Egyptian inventions that have had an effect on the modern world you have yet to name one.

Not a single one?

the earlier egyptian system is called "Unary", not base 10

but yes, so thats one thing the Egyptians invented that has had an effect on the modern world. Thanks

Oh, there's at least one then.

I am not denying the importance of Egyptian culture in the ancient world, I am stating that very few of its innovations made it into the modern one,

Very few? I thought there weren't any?

I have also noticed that you are moving the goalposts

Perhaps the Egyptians invented irony?

 

[Brian-M]

The name of the Greek inventor not giving you a clue as to why its not qualified then

Nope, not at all.

Hero (or Heron) of Alexandria (Greek: Ἥρων ὁ Ἀλεξανδρεύς) (c. 10–70 AD). was an ancient Greek mathematician who was a resident of a Roman province (Ptolemaic Egypt); he was also an engineer who was active in his native city of Alexandria. He is considered the greatest experimenter of antiquity[1] and his work is representative of the Hellenistic scientific tradition.[2]

The inventor lived in Egypt.
The inventor's "native city of Alexandria" is in Egypt.
And the invention itself was used exclusively in Egypt (as far as we know).

As far as I'm concerned, that's Egyptian enough for me.

 

[Marduk]

Nope, not at all.




The inventor lived in Egypt.
The inventor's "native city of Alexandria" is in Egypt.
And the invention itself was used exclusively in Egypt (as far as we know).

As far as I'm concerned, that's Egyptian enough for me.

This is what he looked like

and nice omission on your part there
from the same page on wiki

Due to strong Babylonian influence in Hero's work, it was once speculated by a minority of scholars that Hero may have been a Greek of Egyptian or Phoenician origin,but the modern scholarly consensus is that he was a pure Greek. The historian of mathematics C. B. Boyer explains that Hero's identification as an Egyptian or a Phoenician was largely due to the strong Babylonian influence on his work. However at least from the days of Alexander the Great to the close of the classical world, there undoubtedly was much intercommunication between Greece and Mesopotamia, and it seems to be clear that the Babylonian arithmetic and algebraic geometry continued to exert considerable influence in the Hellenistic world.

deny deny deny

 

[Brian-M]

This is what he looked like

and nice omission on your part there
from the same page on wiki

deny deny deny

You're disqualifying him on account of his race?
Isn't that a little... racist?

(What's this thread about again? I forget.)

 

[HansMustermann]

This is what he looked like
[qimg]http://www-history.mcs.st-and.ac.uk/BigPictures/Heron.jpeg[/qimg]
and nice omission on your part there
from the same page on wiki

deny deny deny

Umm, if you're going to ascribe the work of someone born and raised in Egypt to Greece just because he was an ethnic Greek, should I understand that the UK gets the credit for most US patents?

 

[Belz...]

to refer to the most powerful force in humanity (Theism)
as lunacy
is to ignore the evidence of thousands of years of history
its blatant denial

where did science come from?
who were the first scientists?
what was darwins, newtons, einsteins, copernicus, descartes, galileos, etc beliefs?

lunacy
according to mr nobody?

well then
lets have more lunacy
its clearly a GOOD thing

No. These people were good scientists because they IGNORED the teachings of the old myths to focus on reality.

 

[babbits]

You forgot Egypt.

The destruction (by arson) of the great library of Alexandria probably accounts for the under-rating of the place of Egypt in the history of civilization. But the Greek philosophers credited Egypt with the beginnings of philosophy in mathematics and logic. And of course the Mathematics was developed to foster engineering.

 

[realpaladin]

Umm, if you're going to ascribe the work of someone born and raised in Egypt to Greece just because he was an ethnic Greek, should I understand that the UK gets the credit for most US patents?

Aw cr*p! Now we dutch get blamed for the financial crisis...

 

[Christian Klippel]

Keep denying that Theism is the most powerful force in humanity.

Well, if you mean "most powerful force" as of "most powerful force to start wars" or "most powerful force for violence against people with different minds" or "most powerful force to keep people stupid" or ....

Then yes, it surely has been, and still is, the most powerful force at that. However, if you mean that in terms of advancing humanity, advancing science, striving for peace, etc... well, then you are as wrong as one can be.