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Beth Clarkson, Complex Protocol

Beth's privacy

Beady said:
Think about it. How did she first "discover" she might have this ability? What led Beth to set up a laboratory experiment? Was she on a date, in a restaurant, dining by candlelight?...Or did she just wake up one morning and wonder if she had a strong enough TK ability to move a candle flame, and was curious enough to set up a lab experiment?

Beth has been most forthcoming with me regarding certain events in her life that preceded her present pursuits in this area, and, although she has requested that I not divulge the specific circumstances, I really don't think it would be betraying her confidence or breaching her privacy if I said that her "belief" was precipitated by a powerful emotional trauma.

Sound familiar?

I've tried to get her to see that the two events are most likely very connected. She feels it's entirely coincidental.

This claim keeps me up at night. It's very sad.
 
Re: Re: Randi's comment on this claim & proposed test protocol

Kimpatsu said:
Hey, negative psychic powers! :D

Sadly, I've heard this term. I read once of a psychic demo in which members of a group were tested for ESP using Zener cards. Pure chance suggests that you should get the right symbol 20% of the time. The psychic called any score above 20% evidence of psychic powers, and any score below 20% evidence of "negative psychic powers", but still psychic.

If you guess one out of five choices randomly, the chance of getting exactly 20 right in 100 trials is about 9.9%. Does that mean 90.1% of the population is either positively or negatively psychic?
 
Re: Re: Re: Randi's comment on this claim & proposed test protocol

rppa said:
Sadly, I've heard this term. I read once of a psychic demo in which members of a group were tested for ESP using Zener cards. Pure chance suggests that you should get the right symbol 20% of the time. The psychic called any score above 20% evidence of psychic powers, and any score below 20% evidence of "negative psychic powers", but still psychic.

If you guess one out of five choices randomly, the chance of getting exactly 20 right in 100 trials is about 9.9%. Does that mean 90.1% of the population is either positively or negatively psychic?

No, they alternate between the two randomly and cannot predict before any trial which it will be.
 
Fellas? Something just occurred to me.

This thread has been going on for a while, and a lot of people who know a lot more than I do about Chance and general statistics have been arguing back and forth and getting nowhere. IIRC, isn't one of the rules for the Challenge something on the order that the results of any test have to be self-evident and non-ambiguous? I think about the only thing that has come out of this discussion is that the proposed test can *only* yield ambiguous results. Or, at best, even the experts can't agree on what a self-evident result would be.

Isn't it time to chuck the flame idea and start over?

Just off the top of my head, it seems to me that anyone who could move a flame via TK could also roll a penny standing on edge along a level surface or, alternatively, knock the penny over. There, you would have a result that is both self-evident and easily quantifiable.
 
Beady said:
Just off the top of my head, it seems to me that anyone who could move a flame via TK could also roll a penny standing on edge along a level surface or, alternatively, knock the penny over. There, you would have a result that is both self-evident and easily quantifiable.
But what if her power only affects flames, like Pyro out of the X-Men?
 
Possible Alternates:

I've suggested numerous things (other than a candle flame) for Beth to consider demonstrating her powers with, to no avail.

She insists that the candle flame is the best way to demonstrate her "powers".

I think we're getting nowhere, fast.
 
Re: Possible Alternates:

KRAMER said:
I've suggested numerous things (other than a candle flame) for Beth to consider demonstrating her powers with, to no avail.

She insists that the candle flame is the best way to demonstrate her "powers".

I think we're getting nowhere, fast.

Well, then, it seems to me this is *her* problem, not yours. Or ours. Why are we even discussing this? As I read the rules, isn't the claimant (or whatever) responsible for designing the demonstration, with the caveats that it be performed under controlled observation and the results be self-evident? She is not providing for self-evident results; hell, ISTR even she is having trouble describing how to read the results. When I was student teaching, my mentor told me the reason you can't explain something is that you don't understand it; if she doesn't understand it, how is anyone else supposed to? For that matter, how would she know whether she had succeeded and you and Randi weren't just keeping the money? How could she prove it?
 
Isn't the bottom line her, is that she needs to demonstrate to herself that she has this ability and then once convinced, approach a thirdy party to verify her results and THEN approach JREF?

Why bother discussing elaborate protocols when she hasn't even convincingly demonstrated the ability to herself.

There are any number of good, less complex setups/experiments suggested in the forum she can try to first demonstrate the ability to herself. Time to move on and have her come back later with some results.
 
LONG: Advice requested on experimental protocol

Hello,

Kramer has encouraged me to post here looking for suggestions. As many of you have surmised, no, I am not certain this ability exists. Nor am I certain that it does not. That’s why I’m running experiments.

Currently, my experiments are on hiatus due to being busy with other things this time of year. However, I do hope to start up again after the holidays and would like to work out any changes to my experimental protocol in the interim. I have managed to find a few people willing to act as observers (lack of observers is the main problem with my current experiments and the reason I submitted a claim to JREF in the first place – if my claim had been accepted, they would have provided me with observers). I’m hoping to have some additional subjects participating as well.

I’m looking at making changes to the set-up, based on the suggestions that I’ve heard from JREF. I hoping that you will provide me with some additional advice regarding my experimental procedure. Here are the issues I’m currently trying to resolve and would appreciate your suggestions for improvement.

I’m currently working with a candle inside a glass and a series of 8 uniformly molded flat wax rings (actually washers might be a better description) placed on top of the glass. I use 4 for controls and 4 for tests in a randomized order. I measure the angle from a target for the first drop of melted wax that falls from each ring. Unconscious manipulation via breath is eliminated because the entire set-up is raised until the flame is at eye-level and the only opening is above the subject’s head.

In addition to protecting from outside air currents, the glass also serves as a jig for uniform positioning of both the candle and the wax ring. This positioning is not perfect, but is done to the best of my ability. The candles have enough variation (wicks are not perfectly centered within the candle) that I’m not going to be able to do any better than this until I switch to a different type of flame.

Type of flame: I should be able to switch from a candle to an oil lamp or butane lighter. I’m currently looking into what’s available, the cost, and what will work best with my set up. Any reasons to prefer one over the other?

Air flow/currents: Would a larger container with a separate jig to hold the flame and wax ring in position placed entirely inside of it be better? If so, what can be used as a jig? I need something small (it must go inside the glass container) and inexpensive. Further, would this type of set up really be less susceptible to air currents than the current one? Currently, the top of the wax ring is exposed, but the underside is not. There is only a small (1” diameter) opening, so the flame itself has very little exposure to outside air currents. I have found some reasonably priced large clear glass tubes (chimneys for an oil lamp) that would be suitable. But I am concerned that with a larger container, the larger diameter will mean more exposure of the flame and wax ring to outside air currents than with my current set up.

Vibration: How can the effects of vibration best be minimized? A rubber mat? A foam pad? A dish filled with sand? A large stack of books? I’m not at all familiar with how to damp vibrations, so suggestions in this area are greatly appreciated.

Measuring angles: What is the best method of averaging angles? I’m currently leaning towards an absolute value measurement as it simplifies things. Computations with my current data have a higher p-value when I use absolute values rather than positive and negative ones, so it seems the more conservative measure. However, it has the disadvantage of underestimating the variance and thus won’t be appropriate for certain types of analysis.

Analysis: For each trial, I compute the mean for the control rings (4 independent measurements) and the mean for the test rings (another 4 independent measurements). I then compute the difference between those means: the control mean minus the test mean.

Currently, I think the binomial analysis is the best. It’s conservative and robust. For the binomial distribution, I only consider the sign of the difference between the means. A positive value is a “success”, a negative value a “failure”. (For those unfamiliar with statistics, the binomial distribution requires that results be classified into one of two groups, traditionally termed “success” and “failure”.) I compute the probability of my results under the null hypothesis of no effect, i.e. that the probability of a “success” is 0.50. The only assumption needed for this analysis – and I think it’s a reasonable one – is that under the hypothesis of no psychic effect it is equally likely for the control mean or the test mean to be closer to the target.

Trial to trial data seems to follow a uniform distribution (as would be expected). Deviations from the mean within a trial (looking just at control data to establish what would be typical) have a nice bell-shaped distribution. I have nearly 60 sets of control data from my experiments. While I have changed some features of the testing over those trials, the control data would be unaffected by those changes. A t-test seems appropriate for analyzing the data from a single trial, but I won’t accept the results of a single trial as being definitive, despite having a very low p-value for some trials.

The within trial variance is not constant from one trial to the next. I presume this is due to the problem of imperfect centering of the flame. Thus, though a paired t-test would seem appropriate to compare the sample means, I am reluctant to place much confidence in those results due the non-constant variance. If I can solve that problem, I should be able to use that type of analysis.

I do have another statistician who’s agreed to take a look at my data over the semester break. However, I would like to hear from others regarding their thoughts on appropriate analysis techniques. I would also be willing to provide my current set of data to anyone who would like to review it. It is stored in an EXCEL spreadsheet.
 
Hi Beth, welcome to the forum. I'm glad you've joined us.

There are many issues with your experimental design. The main problem is you are not directly measuring what you claim you are doing. Your claim is that you can move a flame, but what you are measuring is heat conduction and the change of state of a material (wax). This set up is tricky enough that it really would require a lot of experimentation to determine exactly all the independent variables, and more experimentation to ensure that you have adequately controlled for them. By experimentation I don't mean fiddling around, but full on, lab conditions, multiple runs, etc., such as you would find in any competent lab. Given that, I honestly can't see why JREF would ever test this claim as it stands - we're talking months of work, just to prove that all conditions are controlled for.

But let's proceed with some of the issues with the current set up. To do so, let's make sure we understand the physics. The lit candle generates light, heat, and various residues (hot gases, soot, etc). I will discount light from futher analysis because I can't envision a way for it to effect the wax melting. The heat of the candle heats the surrounding air, as well as the candle itself. This heat is transferred through the air to the 1) wax ring; 2) the glass chamber; 3) the air outside the glass chamber; 4) the table top; 5) the candle (separate effect from the candle heating itself).

There at least 3 other heat sources in this experiment: 1) the room air which can enter through the hole in the top; 2) the room air which cools the glass chamber; 3) the desk top.

These varying heat sources all contribute to the heating of the wax ring. The various sources all start at different temperatures, so the heat flow model inside that glass chamber is quite complex, perhaps even chaotic. I'm using the mathematical definition of chaotic, in which the system is deterministic, yet unpredictable.

Let me enumerate some of the issues that could effect the wax melting on a trial by trial basis. This does not even begin to be exhaustive:

* outside air temperature - contrary to your claim, unconscious breathing towards the apparatus will alter the outside air temperature, which will alter the heat convection.

* glass temperature - can be modified by 1) your handling while setting up the apparatus 2) breathing on it during the test

* centering of the candle in the apparatus

* vertical orientation of the candle in the apparatus

* dimensional and density unifomity of the wax ring

* table top temperature - each trial will add heat to the table top, meaning it will be non-uniform across trials

* positioning of the ring on the glass.

* air currents entering through the hole in the top

* candle height at the start of the burn, and how long after the burn that the trial starts.

etc.

That's a lot that you need to experimentally prove that you have controlled for. Clearly, a statement that the hole in the ring is small, and thus probably doesn't allow room air currents to effect the results cannot be accepted at face value - this must be proven. I can imagine just that proof alone taking several weeks or even months of clever experimental design and execution.

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That you are allowed to handle the apparatus is a huge red flag, and honestly, probably what is causing you to see results that make you think you are affecting the flame. Very tiny errors in placement could cause large variation in melt position. Do you have experimental evidence for, say, how much the melt position changes for a 0.1mm error in candle position in the X axis effects the result? What are your QC requirements for manufacturing the wax disks? 6 sigma? How do you measure the positioning of the ring, and what is the error rate of measurement? How much will that error cause variations in the melt position? Etc. I can easily imagine that completely unconsciously you might position the wax ring differently, whether based on horizontal position, or the wax's density, based on the target. Do you know what the position of the target is going to be before you set up the ring? Do you know if it is going to be a control trial or real trial before you position the apparatus? Do you know the temperature of all materials and gases prior to the start of the trial, and do you control for that in your analysis?

Those are all rhetorical questions. I hope it is clear that you have designed a system which is exquisitely sensitive to a multitude of
variables, none which you are controlling, fully understand, or have data on their impact on the wax melt point.

I can't imagine, based on Kramer's statement on here, quite reasonable statements, that JREF will not invest weeks in investigating subtle phenomena like this, that this challenge will ever be accepted in it's present form.

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So let's examine what you are claiming, and see if there is not a better way to measure it. Your claim is telekinesis of a flame. The first thing I would ask is there any reason to believe your ability is restricted to flames? I ask because there are well established ways to measure very tiny forces. The design of a torsional balance that is isolated from external influence, for example, is well understood. It's still time consuming, and expensive, and difficult to do well, but we know how to do it. No one has ever studied your particular set up, so all we can do is speculate about it.

Another, easier set up would be to place 3 tiny pieces of styrofoam in a sealed chamber, isolated from vibration and heat sources. Your job is to move one and only one of the pieces on command. This is a set up Randi has used before, and so he would be likely to accept it as a challenge demonstration.


If for whatever reason your skill is limited to flame, then I would move to an apparatus with less complex heat flow. A flame from a consistant source (some kind of gas flame), in a large chamber (so it is not coupled to the walls of the chamber, with a long burn prior to the start of the trial (so temperatures are stable, and convection, if any, is laminar), rigged up with vibration and temperature sensors (so you can discard trials with abnomalities), and a camera and computer system set up to measure flame movement. You still have the issue of the proximity of the table top (heat coupling), but hopefully you can remove that from consideration using the temperature sensors to prove steady state conditions.

I really don't see how you can prove your claim with less than months of experimentation, and I don't see how JREF could accept your challenge on just your say-so that you have done these experiments and identified all the contributing factors to the flame movement or heat conduction/convection. And JREF isn't going to do the months of experiments either.

I'm somewhat pessimistic, and so sometimes assume things will be harder than they really are, so I hope somebody else sees flaws in my limited analysis above.

One assumption I have made in the above, and it may not be warranted, is that the movement of the flame due to your mind is very small, and not trivially visible to the naked eye. For example, if I blow at a candle with a strong puff of air, it is immediately visible because the flame jumps. People would shout out "you just blew at the flame" even if they didn't see me do it. If you are getting those kinds of gross movements, than it is a much easier experiment to design, and a simple camera system coupled with your isolation from the air in the test apparatus would do. But I'm guessing the candle wavers during the control run, and wavers during the real trials, and you think maybe the wavering is different when you are trying to move it with your mind.
 
roger said:
Hi Beth, welcome to the forum. I'm glad you've joined us.

Thank you. It is nice to be welcomed and you obviously put a lot of thought into your response.

I think I need to clear up a few misconceptions here. First of all, I don’t expect JREF to be doing this testing. That’s okay. I’m doing these experiments for my own benefit, simply because I wish to know with more certainty what might or might not be happening. I had submitted an application in the hopes of getting some help in the form of observers. That hasn’t happened, but I have gotten some good feedback on the experimental design, so that’s helped.

Second of all, I don't have access to a lab. My experiments are limited to what I can reasonably conduct at my dining room table. That’s a constraint I am working under and that won’t be changing in the foreseeable future.

Third, I don’t really care what’s being affected, whether it’s the heat, the flame, the wax, etc. Theoretically, I shouldn’t be able to affect any of that. What I’m interested in is determining whether I am having any effect or not.

You brought up a lot of good issues, but with the exception of the positioning of the ring on the glass, randomization should equalize the effect of all of those uncontrolled variables. That is, after all, the purpose of the randomization. If I can get observers, they would be placing the rings on the glass, without prior knowledge of which rings were tests and which controls.

Your suggestions, though theoretically good, are not feasible for me given the resources I have to work with.

Do you have any suggestions on how to improve on my current setup? Or a better setup that's feasible for me to implement?
 
Beth,
Welcome to the forum. I hope you will participate in some of the other fora . The science forum has math and even statistic threads that occurr occasionaly that your expertise would be appreciated in.

Thank you for your comments.

I was attracted to KRAMER's report about your claim because it struck me as the kind of claim a skeptical objective person might make if they were reporting on a possible paranormal phenomena.

Yours is the first claim that has struck me like that in the several years that I have been participating in this forum.

I suggested above that one possible way to test your idea would be to use thermocouples. I am not quite sure how well this idea would work, but what I had in mind was to place one or two thermocouples above and just beside the flame. This way if the flame moved in the direction of the thermocouple a sudden increase in temperature would be detected. Thermocouples are readily available in an electronic supply store. You would need a meter to plug them into. It would be nice if the meter had a computer link so the temperature could be recorded throughout your experiment. Years ago I bought such a device for about $200. I don't have it right now or I would have fooled around with the idea. It might also work to put the thermocouple just above the flame and look for a sudden cooling.

Anyway, I wish you well with your experiment. I hesitate to say this because I don't wish to discourage you from looking into something that interests you, but I also must admit that I am a lifelong skeptic about things like this and I think it is very unlikely that there is any paranormal effect going on here. But if it helps at all, I have been wrong many many times in my 55 years so maybe there's room for one more time here.

Best Regards,
Dave
 
Hi, Beth.

Not sure if you read the whole thread, but I mentioned earlier that I made myself a torsion balance by hanging a toothpick from a string inside an empty Coke bottle. Not terribly high-tech, but still remarkably sensitive. I estimated, from its frequency of oscillation, that a force of just 10 micrograms would deflect it noticeably. If you use thin sewing thread or something like that, instead of string, you could probably do even better.

Anyway, assuming you want to stick with the flame and wax ring: I think a good way to average the angles is not to think of them as angles at all. Instead think of the position of the wax drop as a unit vector. (The origin is at the ring's center). Averaging vectors is easy. Success is if the test average is closer to the target than the control average is, treating the target position as a vector too.

Actually, if you're using a binomial test, I'm not sure why you'd need to average anything. Is there any reason to have four controls and four tests per trial? Why not one and one? It's more powerful than spending eight rings on each trial.

On the other hand, I'd be wary of t-tests and such, which rely on normality. How can you tell the drops are normally distributed, from just four data points? Does it make sense to combine different trials' data if it appears, from the varying variance, that the data don't all come from the same distribution?
 
I just realized that I hadn't read Beth's first post or Roger's response before I made my post.

The only thing I might add after reading those posts is that Roger's idea of a camera on the flame during the test seems like a reasonable idea to me. It is even less intrusive than the thermocouple idea and by hooking it up to a computer the flame location could be closely monitored for movement.

I also liked the idea of a gas flame for producing a flame with less of the confounding randomness of a candle. I was thinking of an oil lamp with a wick for the same reason.

I understand (at least somewhat) Beth's idea that the randomness of the candle flame and other effects can be dealt with by comparing different runs statistically to determine if the telekinesis is affecting the outcome, but I also like the idea of just making the experiment as simple as possible so that random variation is more easily eliminated.
 
davefoc said:
Beth,
Welcome to the forum. I hope you will participate in some of the other fora . The science forum has math and even statistic threads that occurr occasionaly that your expertise would be appreciated in.

Thank you for your comments.

I was attracted to KRAMER's report about your claim because it struck me as the kind of claim a skeptical objective person might make if they were reporting on a possible paranormal phenomena.

Yours is the first claim that has struck me like that in the several years that I have been participating in this forum.

I suggested above that one possible way to test your idea would be to use thermocouples. I am not quite sure how well this idea would work, but what I had in mind was to place one or two thermocouples above and just beside the flame. This way if the flame moved in the direction of the thermocouple a sudden increase in temperature would be detected. Thermocouples are readily available in an electronic supply store. You would need a meter to plug them into. It would be nice if the meter had a computer link so the temperature could be recorded throughout your experiment. Years ago I bought such a device for about $200. I don't have it right now or I would have fooled around with the idea. It might also work to put the thermocouple just above the flame and look for a sudden cooling.

Anyway, I wish you well with your experiment. I hesitate to say this because I don't wish to discourage you from looking into something that interests you, but I also must admit that I am a lifelong skeptic about things like this and I think it is very unlikely that there is any paranormal effect going on here. But if it helps at all, I have been wrong many many times in my 55 years so maybe there's room for one more time here.

Best Regards,
Dave

Thank for the welcome and the suggestions. I've been lurking in a few other threads and the discussions do seem interesting.

I like the idea of thermocouple. It would certainly speed up the testing process to have a continuous recording of the temperature at various points around the circumference of the flame. The wax rings are simply the best way, thus far, that I have found to measure objectively the direction of a flame.

Unfortunately, even though $200 is a modest expense, it's beyond what I can justify allocating for my experiments at this time. I'm also pretty clueless about how to set up and use such a device, so I think I'll table that idea for now. If I still get positive results after I've used observers and made other improvements, I'll reconsider it.
 
davefoc said:
I just realized that I hadn't read Beth's first post or Roger's response before I made my post.

The only thing I might add after reading those posts is that Roger's idea of a camera on the flame during the test seems like a reasonable idea to me. It is even less intrusive than the thermocouple idea and by hooking it up to a computer the flame location could be closely monitored for movement.

I also liked the idea of a gas flame for producing a flame with less of the confounding randomness of a candle. I was thinking of an oil lamp with a wick for the same reason.

I like the idea of a camera as well, but I'm not sure how the flame location could be analyzed, even with a digital recording. That is beyond my abilities. I've also considered using a camera to record where the first drop of wax falls from, but have the same problem. How do I get from a video recording to an accurate objective measurement?

An oil lamp with a wick is something that I should be able to set up in my dining room. I'm not sure I can manage a gas flame, though I am planning to look into it. Is there any particular reason to prefer gas over oil?
 
69dodge said:
Hi, Beth.

Not sure if you read the whole thread, but I mentioned earlier that I made myself a torsion balance by hanging a toothpick from a string inside an empty Coke bottle. Not terribly high-tech, but still remarkably sensitive. I estimated, from its frequency of oscillation, that a force of just 10 micrograms would deflect it noticeably. If you use thin sewing thread or something like that, instead of string, you could probably do even better.


Anyway, assuming you want to stick with the flame and wax ring: I think a good way to average the angles is not to think of them as angles at all. Instead think of the position of the wax drop as a unit vector. (The origin is at the ring's center). Averaging vectors is easy. Success is if the test average is closer to the target than the control average is, treating the target position as a vector too.

Actually, if you're using a binomial test, I'm not sure why you'd need to average anything. Is there any reason to have four controls and four tests per trial? Why not one and one? It's more powerful than spending eight rings on each trial.

On the other hand, I'd be wary of t-tests and such, which rely on normality. How can you tell the drops are normally distributed, from just four data points? Does it make sense to combine different trials' data if it appears, from the varying variance, that the data don't all come from the same distribution?


I did read about the torsion balance, but at this point, it is the influencing of a flame that I wish to establish.

While it's true, I don't require the use of four controls and four tests for the binomiial analysis, using the means gives me with more confidence in the results. I feel I'm less likely to get a false positive. I had originally thought I could use a paired t-test on the data. Means will always follow a normal distribution if the underlying data is even approximately bell-shaped. It's the non-constant variance that's the problem. That can be dealt with using more sophisticated analytical techniques, but it's not easy and I'm not as confident in my ability to do that analysis without error. I'm hoping that if I can improve the uniformity of my set-up, I can eliminate that problem.

I've also considered using some nonparametric analytical methods, but since they will likely be less powerful than the binomial model I'm using, I haven't given that a great deal of thought.
 
Okay, several things, mostly off the top of my head.

1) randomization does not control for many of the things I wrote about in my post. I reread it, and realized I left much implied. Any successful experiment must demonstrate that Beth is not moving the flame via physical means. So, for example, breathing on the glass during the test changes the boundry conditions that the air column inside the glass experiences. It is quite feasible that this could alter the flame's movement. Randomization will not correct for this. Please note that my assumption is that Beth is doing this unconsciously, but purposefully. Meaning, one way or another she behaves differently during a real trial vs. the control. She may lean closer, tap the table top because she is concentrating, or may have learned unconsciously how to move the flame.


2) It's hard to opine about this setup without studying what it does. So last night at 1230am I had a candle set in a short glass, and measured the temperature with a very sensitive J-style thermocouple. My set up was NOT the same as Beth's as I believe the glass was shorter, and I didn't have the wax ring. Nonetheless, I believe I gathered some suggestive data.

I believe what happens is air is sucked in from underneath and the side of the flame, gets heated by the candle, and raises above the flame. At the same time, the burning wick is generating gases, which also rise. I established this in 2 ways. First, I took a lot of temperature measurements around the flame. I could place the probe almost in the flame on the side, and I'd get reading in the 140 to 155 range (all temps F). Lifting up the probe slightly would quickly register higher values - up to 180 to 190, but no more. Secondly, the heat caused visual distortions in the surrounding air, and I was able to observe the flow to some extent with my eye.

As you move the probe above the flame, the temps increased rapidly. I backed off at 450F, as I didn't want to damage the probe. I got those readings about an inch above the flame.

Moving about 3 inches above the top of the flame, the readings were very erratic. In one second intervals, you might see: 148 173 179 199 223 257 221 199 178 170 158 ... (that data is completely made up).

In other words, very significant swings. The swings by far exceeded the movements of the flame, which was just dancing around a bit like a candle is wont to do.

Moving the probe just a bit off center, just a 1/2 inch, would result in a 100degree or more temperature drop. Basically there was a very narrow tunnel of hot gases rising, surrounded by a much cooler boundary of cool air.

However, this tunnel was very susceptible to small perturbations in the environment. For example, if I would very lightly tap the counter, the temperature would vary wildly. I didn't measure the force of the tap, but we are talking half way between just sitting down your finger without any force, and the kind of tap you might do unconsciously. This tap was not significant enough to produce visually obvious movements in the flame - sometimes you'd think you see a reaction, but sometimes not.

So, much as I suspected, Beth has constructed a device that vastly amplifies tiny movements in the flame. In a sense, this is good, because it's easier to measure amplified signals. However, the downside is that the amplifier is in no way shielded - it reacts just as wildly to small variations in the physical environment. Furthermore, the gain seems quite underdamped - a tiny impulse signal injected into the amplifier results in prolonged and vacillating output. Finally, the X/Y positioning of the output is rather small, even when the temperature swung wildly right over the flame, it really didn't seem to vary much at all just offset an inch or so.

As I see it, this has at least two negative consequences for Beth. First, if she is exhibiting a real, but very effect, it may very well be swamped by the noise in the system. Second, it makes it much harder to prove that any results are the result of her mind, because, despite the randomization of trials, she will very likely have ways to physically affect the flame unless a much more expensive apparatus is used. In short, with the wide and rapid fluctuations that I was seeing, I could never really tell if what I was doing was affecting the flame, or whether I was seeing the normal variations caused by the flickering flame.

3) Dave' thermocouple idea: I was basically thinking the same thing when I got out my thermocouple last night. If for example, you had a thermocouple in the North and South position, and instructed Beth to either move the flame N, S, or not at all, you might be able to record say 10 seconds worth of readings and average them. I would be impressed with, for example, if by thumping on the table, blowing at the flame, etc, you could never make the N sensor exceed 280F, but when Beth used her mind, she repeatedly was able to reach 300F or better. But if the data is essentially the same as the control runs, and requires significant statistical analysis to extract the results, then I would fear and assume that small physical forces have not been accounted for.

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I'm musing about a different setup altogether. It just came to me, so even if it does work it'll need refinement. But it occurs to me that burning is a typical way to compute the caloric content of an item. So I'm wondering if it would be possible to say put two candles very close together in a chamber used for measuring caloric heat. Only one candle would be lit. Beth's task would be to move the candle towards the unlit candle, so it is partially vaporized and thus increased the caloric energy produced.

Thinking about it, I think it is still too sensitive to initial conditions - each candle will have a different caloric content within a certain rainge, and so Beth would have to exceed that output. I'm guessing her effect, if any, would be swamped by the normal variances of the candle.
 

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