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Berning down the house!

JoeMorgue said:
Does it matter? He didn't get enough votes to swing an election for 3rd Assistant Dog Catcher in Dishwater, WV. You could take every electoral vote that wasn't won by Trump or Hillary, multiple it by ten, give them to Hillary and she still would have been nowhere close to winning.

I don't see looking at results where one side got a score of 227, one got a score of 304 and the side that got 227 looking at the guy who scored 1 and screaming "YOU RUINED THIS FOR ME!"

Hell Colin Powell got 3 electoral votes and he wasn't even running. Someone for whom not one single vote was cast was awarded an electoral vote by an Unfaithless elector. Millions upon millions of eligible voters stayed home scratching their ass and watching Spongebob.

I don't get what damage Bernie did.
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:rolleyes:

That's quite the cherry picking ignoring how those EC votes were decided.

Trump says this all the time, "look at the uge margin I won by."
 
Funny how so many of the so called "progressive" USAians on this site are so oppsosed to an actual progressive candidate.
 
Trump's tariffs and protectionism is having a horrible impact on our economy
According to the Waco Tribune-Herald, the Waco-based Texas Farm Bureau and the U.S. Department of Agriculture, at least 11,000 farmers in Texas believe that they’ve suffered from the tariffs and trade disputes that President Donald Trump has instituted in his trade war with China.
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Farming bankrupcies are soaring
A total of 84 farms in the upper Midwest filed for bankruptcy between July 2017 and June 2018, according to the Minneapolis Star Tribune. That’s more than double the number of Chapter 12 filings during the same period in 2013 and 2014 in Wisconsin, Minnesota, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Montana.

Farms that produce corn, soybeans, milk, and beef were suffering due to low global demand and low prices, according to economists, and Trump’s trade war is making the problem even worse. China has slapped billions of dollars worth of tariffs on US agriculture exports in response to Trump’s tariffs on Chinese products. Other countries, including Canada, have also added duties to US agriculture products in response to Trump’s tariffs on all imported steel and aluminum.
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Bernie Sanders is also a protectionist and tariff supporter. What is progressive and "left" about his protectionism? It is an old idea, and a bad idea and we are already paying a steep price of this populism, of "economic nationalism".

Even the Socialists think this is a really bad idea:
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/07/01/sand-j01.html
Sanders combines his populist appeals with economic nationalism. Far from pursuing genuinely socialist politics, which is based on revolutionary internationalism, he opposes the international unity of the working class, calling instead for American workers to rally in defense of “their” national state against foreign capital.
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Skeptic Ginger said:
WilliamSeger said:
I do expect to have several unapologetic progressives on the stage, and Bernie is certainly welcome to compete with them. But neither Trump nor Bernie will be competing against Hillary again.
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And?
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Bernie got a lot of default support from Ds who just didn't like Hillary, and from those who just feared that 25 years of Hillary character assassination made her unelectable.
 
Upchurch said:
I'm not saying you're right or wrong but, out of curiosity, what's your source on that?
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WaPo.

Another useful comparison is to 2008, when the question was whether Clinton supporters would vote for Barack Obama or John McCain (R-Ariz.) Based on data from the 2008 Cooperative Campaign Analysis Project, a YouGov survey that also interviewed respondents multiple times during the campaign, 24 percent of people who supported Clinton in the primary as of March 2008 then reported voting for McCain in the general election.

An analysis of a different 2008 survey by the political scientists Michael Henderson, Sunshine Hillygus and Trevor Thompson produced a similar estimate: 25 percent. (Unsurprisingly, Clinton voters who supported McCain were more likely to have negative views of African Americans, relative to those who supported Obama.)

Thus, the 6 percent or 12 percent of Sanders supporters who may have supported Trump does not look especially large in comparison with these other examples.
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Venom said:
I don't mind Tulsi Gabbard but I'd rather have someone more consistent over the decades with less baggage.
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Well, she has a lot of advantages over Bernie. A woman, half Samoan, young, beautiful, charismatic, strong-willed, at least as progressive as Bernie, an active soldier with actual anti-war politics (contrary to Bernie's "muh Maduro bad" gate-keeping).

I can't wait to see her react at a debate to some nitwit calling her an "Assad apologist" with telling "the nation" about what she actually found in Syria.

She would so wipe the floor with Trump it wouldn't even be funny anymore. But of course her enemies are in her own party, and good ol' Bernie just made himself practically one of them.
 
portlandatheist said:
Trump's tariffs and protectionism is having a horrible impact on our economy



Farming bankrupcies are soaring





Bernie Sanders is also a protectionist and tariff supporter. What is progressive and "left" about his protectionism? It is an old idea, and a bad idea and we are already paying a steep price of this populism, of "economic nationalism".



Even the Socialists think this is a really bad idea:

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/07/01/sand-j01.html
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When you put it that way, Sanders sounds like some kind of "national" socialist.
 
Bernie babe AOC is on the cover of this week's Economist.

I know, peripheral to the thread topic - I just wanted to post that fact.

I kind of agree Bernie is too old to run. Plus he ain't exactly mainstream.
 
Minoosh said:
Bernie babe AOC is on the cover of this week's Economist.

I know, peripheral to the thread topic - I just wanted to post that fact.

I kind of agree Bernie is too old to run. Plus he ain't exactly mainstream.
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You sure about that?
 
Having two or three good ideas isn't sufficient to earn the presidency. Especially when there's no guarantee they'll actually get implemented by the legislature.
 
My favorite Feel the Bern song. Has a 21 second intro then the song really starts



This one is good too. Has a 12 second intro

 
Also while I like Bernie, I also like Warren and Yang, and probably more that I haven't looked at yet. There are many smart progressive candidates this time around that people can hopefully support
 
Lambchops said:
Was going to post this.

This whole "the Bernie bros ruin everything" is utter BS.
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It's not. You and Joe Morgue should check out the Jimmy Dore show. See what was brewing around 2016. You two can view it from different angles and come to an agreement. It'll be fun AND educational!
 
Elagabalus said:
It's not. You and Joe Morgue should check out the Jimmy Dore show. See what was brewing around 2016. You two can view it from different angles and come to an agreement. It'll be fun AND educational!
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Keep voting for those centre-right neoliberals. I'm sure they will fix things for ya. :rolleyes:
 
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