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Believer vs. Believer

epix said:
Your suggested option is hardly a routine event; it is sometimes used, but it shouldn't in connection to the incompleteness theorem. I mean, it takes a great deal of ignorance to discuss incompletness and at the same time furnish Kurt's last name with an additional letter. God always writes "Godel" in relation to Kurt's famous theorem of incompletness. I saw it written that way, because he's now writing a book titled "The Complete Idiot's Guide to Omniscience." You know the series, right?
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I suppose it should come as no surprise that the God you're consulting is as ignorant of digraphs and their typographical evolution as he seems to be about everything else. To replace an "Ö" with a plain "O" is to replace an important letter with one that looks similar but is different. If your God is using a plain "O" in place of "o with umlaut" (Ö) rather than the common and precisely equivalent digraph "oe," which is entirely acceptable in ASCII text, or on typewriters that do not possess the correct accents, then he's thinking through the problem very poorly, and should not be trusted to get anything right.

An equivalent silliness in English would be to transcribe old texts containing the thorn digraph as "ye" instead of "the."

I'd be a little hesitant to trust fully a god who cannot afford a better keyboard or who is too lazy to type the special characters that are readily available on most computers, and I would utterly reject one too stupid to know the difference or to admit a simple mistake. I can do without omnipotence, but any god worth its salt ought to be minimally competent.
 
In later life, Gödel suffered periods of mental instability and illness. He had an obsessive fear of being poisoned; he would only eat food his wife, Adele, prepared for him. Late in 1977, Adele was hospitalized for six months and could not make Gödel's food anymore. In her absence, he refused to eat, eventually starving himself to death. He weighed 65 pounds (approximately 30 kg) when he died. His death certificate reported that he died of "malnutrition and inanition caused by personality disturbance" in Princeton Hospital on January 14, 1978.
 
bruto said:
I suppose it should come as no surprise that the God you're consulting is as ignorant of digraphs and their typographical evolution as he seems to be about everything else. To replace an "Ö" with a plain "O" is to replace an important letter with one that looks similar but is different. If your God is using a plain "O" in place of "o with umlaut" (Ö) rather than the common and precisely equivalent digraph "oe," which is entirely acceptable in ASCII text, or on typewriters that do not possess the correct accents, then he's thinking through the problem very poorly, and should not be trusted to get anything right.
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I refuse to believe this! Your synopsis neural networks is completely blocking relative associations which guide the choice of syntax. We've been talking the incompletness theorem, and so...

Complete: Gödel
Incomplete: Godel

But if I do consider your misplaced rhetoric, then no, "oe" is not acceptable in scholarly articles, as evidence supports the view, and yes, it can be accepted in articles that appear in the Internet environment, but so does single "o."
 
epix said:
I refuse to believe this! Your synopsis neural networks is completely blocking relative associations which guide the choice of syntax. We've been talking the incompletness theorem, and so...

Complete: Gödel
Incomplete: Godel

But if I do consider your misplaced rhetoric, then no, "oe" is not acceptable in scholarly articles, as evidence supports the view, and yes, it can be accepted in articles that appear in the Internet environment, but so does single "o."
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Imagined associations govern syntax only in the imagination.

Before the internet there were typewriters, and non European typewriters lacked accents. OE (or oe) has always been the accepted form to replace an O with an umlaut when no umlaut is available. Even many European typewriters that had accents lacked the ability to put an umlaut over a capital letter, and in that case "OE" in capitals was normal even when an umlaut was used in lower case.

Of course you can make up your own rules and you'll always be right by those rules, so what the hell. If you're going to serve up nonsense you might as well put it in a nonsense sandwich.
 
epix said:
I refuse to believe this! Your synopsis neural networks is completely blocking relative associations which guide the choice of syntax. We've been talking the incompletness theorem, and so...

Complete: Gödel
Incomplete: Godel

But if I do consider your misplaced rhetoric, then no, "oe" is not acceptable in scholarly articles, as evidence supports the view, and yes, it can be accepted in articles that appear in the Internet environment, but so does single "o."
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Гедель

Is this complete or incomplete according to your "theory"?

Oh, wait. Maybe that's "thöry". There! Now something's complete!
 
epix said:
I refuse to believe this! Your synopsis neural networks is completely blocking relative associations which guide the choice of syntax. We've been talking the incompletness theorem, and so...

Complete: Gödel
Incomplete: Godel

But if I do consider your misplaced rhetoric, then no, "oe" is not acceptable in scholarly articles, as evidence supports the view, and yes, it can be accepted in articles that appear in the Internet environment, but so does single "o."
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Oh, good grief...

The "oe" is perfectly acceptable in Germany, where the umlaut comes from.
 
Rincewind said:
Oh, good grief...

The "oe" is perfectly acceptable in Germany, where the umlaut comes from.
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How about another brain-twister: in German, 'god' is 'Gott'. No umlaut! So one has to wonder if 'Gott' is complete or incomplete. Well, it has two 't' letters. Wonder if that means anything.
 
Here you are epix, knock yourself out.

The Name Of God In Different Languages



AEolian.....................Ilos

Arabic....................Allah

Armorian.................Teuti

Assyrian.................. Eleah

Celtic......................Diu

Chaldaic............. Eilah

Cretan...................Thios

Chinese..................Prussa

Coromandel..............Brama

Danish.....................Gut

Dutch.....................Godt

Egyptian (old).............Teut

Egyptian (modern).........Teun

English....................God

Finch...................Jumala

Flemish...................Goed

French.....................Dieu

German....................Gott

German (old)...............Diet

Greek...................Theos

Gallic.......................Diu

Hebrew...........Elohim, Eloha

Hindoostanee..............Rain

Japanese................Goezur

Irish........................Dia

Italian......................Dio

Language Name of God

Madagascar..... .......Zannar

Malay.....................Alla

Norwegian.................Gud

Latin.....................Deus

Low Latin.................Diex

Low Breton................Done

Lapp .................................. ................Jubinal

Olalu Tongue..............Deu

Old Saxon..................God

Peruvian..........Puchecammae

Persian....................Sire

Pannonian..................Istu

Polish.....................Bog

Pollacca.................Bung

Portuguese................Debs

Provencal.................Diou

Runic... ...................As

Russian...................Bojh

Spanish...................Dios

Swedish...................Gut

Slav....................Buch

Swiss......................Gott

Syriac....................Allah

Tartar................Magatal

Turkish..................Allah

Zemblain................Fetizo
 
deaman said:
Where in the HELL, is the umlat?
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If you have a desktop keyboard with a number pad, make sure the "numlock" key is on, and then type "alt 0246" for the lower case, "alt 0214" for the upper. All the characters on the character map can be directly typed if you hold down the "alt" key and key in the number on the numerical pad, including leading zeroes. I have a few of the commonest ones (sorry, Germans, that does not include umlauts) written out, so I can do them quickly. The lower case E acute is pretty common, so I don't even have to look to know it's alt 0233.

Most laptops desktopsalso have this feature, but require a function key shift to turn a portion of the keyboard into a temporary numerical pad. On mine for example, it's FN-ALT-mkll for the é.

In Hell itself, umlauts are collected in a big bucket and sprinkled raw on the half-stale groat-cakes served to nugatory numerologists, as penance for misplaced punctiliousness.
 
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dafydd said:
Here you are epix, knock yourself out.

The Name Of God In Different Languages



AEolian.....................Ilos

Arabic....................Allah

Armorian.................Teuti

Assyrian.................. Eleah

Celtic......................Diu

Chaldaic............. Eilah

Cretan...................Thios

Chinese..................Prussa

Coromandel..............Brama

Danish.....................Gut

Dutch.....................Godt

Egyptian (old).............Teut

Egyptian (modern).........Teun

English....................God

Finch...................Jumala

Flemish...................Goed

French.....................Dieu

German....................Gott

German (old)...............Diet

Greek...................Theos

Gallic.......................Diu

Hebrew...........Elohim, Eloha

Hindoostanee..............Rain

Japanese................Goezur

Irish........................Dia

Italian......................Dio

Language Name of God

Madagascar..... .......Zannar

Malay.....................Alla

Norwegian.................Gud

Latin.....................Deus

Low Latin.................Diex

Low Breton................Done

Lapp .................................. ................Jubinal

Olalu Tongue..............Deu

Old Saxon..................God

Peruvian..........Puchecammae

Persian....................Sire

Pannonian..................Istu

Polish.....................Bog

Pollacca.................Bung

Portuguese................Debs

Provencal.................Diou

Runic... ...................As

Russian...................Bojh

Spanish...................Dios

Swedish...................Gut

Slav....................Buch

Swiss......................Gott

Syriac....................Allah

Tartar................Magatal

Turkish..................Allah

Zemblain................Fetizo
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Ah - Finch!

So, you can talk to the birds, eh?

Now that's impressive...
 
Minor nitpick: Flemish and Dutch both use the word "god" for any divinity (not goed or godt).
 
bruto said:
Trust Epix to go into long diatribe to try to explain emphasis. Capitals are quicker and easier to implement than bold or italics.

And meanwhile, the gratuitous comma and careless spelling go unremarked.

tsk tsk.
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No, that's a short process - you would make a poor prophet. God did give man a certain degree of freedom. When the freedom is exercised by an atheists, then "the gratuitious comma" and "careless spelling" often gracefully emerges to bless the hard drive. Since we both are more or less concerned about the issue of existing or not existing God, there is no reason for me, or anyone else with 'set focus' enabled, to strawman the thread back to the cretaceous period or beyond by paying attention to man-made artifacts. But...! The source of the comma right after HELL is an open question. There are folks out there who may not be that quick to trace God's hacking job and so the comma serves as a label: Pause right here. That means there must be a comprehensive link between HELL and the comma. If there is none, the decision of placing the comma lies solely with the writer. If the link does exist, it was meant to be the label and God is responsible.

Now I give you the first call. Is there a comprehensive link between the capitalized word HELL and the comma that follows it? I give you a strong clue by making a narrow description of what "comprehensive link" means. Most often, comprehensive link means an equation - we use them a lot to form and support theories. Try to think about it. First, you will not know where and how to start, what to look for. And then... an idea suddenly materializes! You check on it and you have it. That's the routine hacking job. Good luck.
 
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