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Believer vs. Believer

epix

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The arithmetic of the title is trivial when given a commensurate look: believer vs. believer = 2 dead believers. (Change to plural and if you can't count to millions, the result will remain a secret to you.)

But the arithmetic rules change w.r.t. the time, and these days, it is possible to wage cyber wars of opinions using fiber optic cables instead of cavalry.

Here is a duel between two believers: Perry Marshall and Mark C. Chu-Carroll. The subject of the dispute is very difficult one: it concerns the interpretation of Kurt Gödel's incompleteness theorem. I let Marshall shoot first, so you can see the trickery trajectory of the bullet as it tries to hit a target for which Gödel never aimed, even though he was quite a religious person. The trajectory very much resembles the path the Roman Catholic Church has gone to make its philosophical point.
http://www.perrymarshall.com/articles/religion/godels-incompleteness-theorem/ (Firefox preferable)

This "thesis" triggered a revolt in the mind of Chu-Carroll to the point of considering weapons of mass destruction, such as the ad hominem missiles, right from the beginning.
http://scienceblogs.com/goodmath/2010/05/03/the-danger-when-you-dont-know/

It's up to you to call the winner...

But, as you suspect, there is an afterthought. The Church holds God omniscient, but the realities are quite different. Witnesses, such as Vincent, say that God sometimes wonders, which is not a good sign of omniscience. And Vincent happened to catch God wondering...


I don't understand this... Do you you understand this?

Understand what?

The way the atheists write my name. They don't capitalize the first letter. That's a breach of the rules given by the grammar and not following the rules leads to lawlessness and anarchy. Do the atheists like anarchy?

I don't think so. I think the habit of not capitalizing the first letter in your name is somewhat symbolic of the relationship between you and them. Unlike them, you don't exist.

But making one letter smaller wouldn't cause me going away.

Well, some atheists hold that you probably don't exist. So if the probability of your existence is small, they write "g" instead of "G".

Yes. That makes sense. But what about those Strong Atheists? They assert that I don't exist at the slightest. Don't you think that the way they write my name doesn't reflect upon their assertion?

If they skip your name in the text entirely, then the editors of respectable magazines may not approve of that symbolism.

But there is way to circumvent the empty space in the text, isn't there?

What way?

Well, absence is rendered by number zero. Since zero is very similar in shape to letter o, why don't the Strong Atheists write G0d instead of God? Isn't that logical?

You know, Heavenly Father, logic and Strong Atheism are two things miles apart. Lol.


So that's the story Vincent told me. This story is particular in separating special from ordinary in Perry Marshall's text. And the special item is

Gödel’s Incompleteness Theorem says:

“Anything you can draw a circle around cannot explain itself without referring to something outside the circle – something you have to assume but cannot prove.”

That's a wrong statement, not just because the theorem doesn't say anything like that. The incorrectness of the statement lies in the fact that you don't have to prove existence of something that you and others can see. If circle = o, then what is outside the circle = ..

G ö d


A typical character of a genius is that it extends beyond his period. Kurt Godel was not an exception. His letters to his mother show his tendency to search for explanations of seemingly random coincidences.
http://iopscience.iop.org/1742-6596/82/1/012008
 
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If this is logic:
Well, absence is rendered by number zero. Since zero is very similar in shape to letter o, why don't the Strong Atheists write G0d instead of God? Isn't that logical?

then this is correct:
You know, Heavenly Father, logic and Strong Atheism are two things miles apart. Lol.

Otherwise, it's pretty idiotic.
 
The way the atheists write my name. They don't capitalize the first letter. That's a breach of the rules given by the grammar and not following the rules leads to lawlessness and anarchy. Do the atheists like anarchy?

I don't think so. I think the habit of not capitalizing the first letter in your name is somewhat symbolic of the relationship between you and them. Unlike them, you don't exist.

But making one letter smaller wouldn't cause me going away.


I call members here by their user name, and I use the capitalization that they use (or don't use, as the case may be). It is courteous to address people the way they wish to be addressed, and the formatting of their user name is the way members normally convey that wish. Your user name is epix. It is not Epix. If you wanted to be called Epix you would have entered Epix instead of epix as your user name.

This has nothing to do with anyone not following rules. Quite the contrary. Typing your user name as you yourself typed it is following a general rule of Internet forum language.

If you want to change your user name to a capitalized version, so that people will know to capitalize it when they address you in posts, you can PM one of the forum administrators with that request.

As for believers vs. believers -- I've read hundreds of your posts and yet I still have no idea what you do or do not believe. That makes it difficult to compare with what I do and do not believe.

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
I call members here by their user name, and I use the capitalization that they use (or don't use, as the case may be). It is courteous to address people the way they wish to be addressed, and the formatting of their user name is the way members normally convey that wish. Your user name is epix. It is not Epix. If you wanted to be called Epix you would have entered Epix instead of epix as your user name.

This has nothing to do with anyone not following rules. Quite the contrary. Typing your user name as you yourself typed it is following a general rule of Internet forum language.

If you want to change your user name to a capitalized version, so that people will know to capitalize it when they address you in posts, you can PM one of the forum administrators with that request.

As for believers vs. believers -- I've read hundreds of your posts and yet I still have no idea what you do or do not believe. That makes it difficult to compare with what I do and do not believe.

Respectfully,
Myriad

hi-lite by calebprime

Agreed. When that happens, it seems that the poster is mainly resentful. We don't know what the poster believes, only that the poster has some beef with "skeptics" or JREF.
 
I call members here by their user name, and I use the capitalization that they use (or don't use, as the case may be). It is courteous to address people the way they wish to be addressed, and the formatting of their user name is the way members normally convey that wish. Your user name is epix. It is not Epix. If you wanted to be called Epix you would have entered Epix instead of epix as your user name.

This has nothing to do with anyone not following rules. Quite the contrary. Typing your user name as you yourself typed it is following a general rule of Internet forum language.

I think (and this is an epix post which means it is about as easy to follow as beat poetry written in Sanskrit) epix was trying to make some point about atheist writing "god" vice "God" not his own name.
 
I think (and this is an epix post which means it is about as easy to follow as beat poetry written in Sanskrit) epix was trying to make some point about atheist writing "god" vice "God" not his own name.


Ah, you could be right.

But that is still not a rule being broken. Many (though not all) monotheists use "God" as a title and as a substitute proper name for their deity, especially when they believe it is presumptuous or even forbidden to use the specific proper name (such as Yahweh). But "god" is correct in lower case as a general category. For instance a Christian would write "Ares was an ancient Greek god" and not "Ares was an ancient Greek God."
 
I think (and this is an epix post which means it is about as easy to follow as beat poetry written in Sanskrit) epix was trying to make some point about atheist writing "god" vice "God" not his own name.


That was my take as well. I interpreted that whole bit as some sort of dialogue between a god* and epix, despite the fact that there are none of the grammatical markers typically used to indicate such a thing by people who are even slightly familiar with English.

*See what I did there?
 
That was my take as well. I interpreted that whole bit as some sort of dialogue between a god* and epix, despite the fact that there are none of the grammatical markers typically used to indicate such a thing by people who are even slightly familiar with English.

*See what I did there?

If only epix would post in a known language.
 
Another epix non-post he has no intention of ever discussing rationally. I question his ability to discuss anything rationally. I imagine a grocers' list under construction would somehow be warped into a bizarre statement on whether or not atheists are actually aliens because the sandwich is intelligently designed to fit into a human hand.
 
The arithmetic of the title is trivial when given a commensurate look: believer vs. believer = 2 dead believers. (Change to plural and if you can't count to millions, the result will remain a secret to you.)

But the arithmetic rules change w.r.t. the time, and these days, it is possible to wage cyber wars of opinions using fiber optic cables instead of cavalry.

Here is a duel between two believers: Perry Marshall and Mark C. Chu-Carroll. The subject of the dispute is very difficult one: it concerns the interpretation of Kurt Gödel's incompleteness theorem. I let Marshall shoot first, so you can see the trickery trajectory of the bullet as it tries to hit a target for which Gödel never aimed, even though he was quite a religious person. The trajectory very much resembles the path the Roman Catholic Church has gone to make its philosophical point.
http://www.perrymarshall.com/articles/religion/godels-incompleteness-theorem/ (Firefox preferable)

This "thesis" triggered a revolt in the mind of Chu-Carroll to the point of considering weapons of mass destruction, such as the ad hominem missiles, right from the beginning.
http://scienceblogs.com/goodmath/2010/05/03/the-danger-when-you-dont-know/

It's up to you to call the winner...

But, as you suspect, there is an afterthought. The Church holds God omniscient, but the realities are quite different. Witnesses, such as Vincent, say that God sometimes wonders, which is not a good sign of omniscience. And Vincent happened to catch God wondering...


I don't understand this... Do you you understand this?

Understand what?

The way the atheists write my name. They don't capitalize the first letter. That's a breach of the rules given by the grammar and not following the rules leads to lawlessness and anarchy. Do the atheists like anarchy? I don't think so. I think the habit of not capitalizing the first letter in your name is somewhat symbolic of the relationship between you and them. Unlike them, you don't exist. But making one letter smaller wouldn't cause me going away.

Well, some atheists hold that you probably don't exist. So if the probability of your existence is small, they write "g" instead of "G".

Yes. That makes sense. But what about those Strong Atheists? They assert that I don't exist at the slightest. Don't you think that the way they write my name doesn't reflect upon their assertion?

If they skip your name in the text entirely, then the editors of respectable magazines may not approve of that symbolism.

But there is way to circumvent the empty space in the text, isn't there?

What way?

Well, absence is rendered by number zero. Since zero is very similar in shape to letter o, why don't the Strong Atheists write G0d instead of God? Isn't that logical?

You know, Heavenly Father, logic and Strong Atheism are two things miles apart. Lol.


So that's the story Vincent told me. This story is particular in separating special from ordinary in Perry Marshall's text. And the special item is



That's a wrong statement, not just because the theorem doesn't say anything like that. The incorrectness of the statement lies in the fact that you don't have to prove existence of something that you and others can see. If circle = o, then what is outside the circle = ..

G ö d



http://iopscience.iop.org/1742-6596/82/1/012008

Epix, people with proper net etiquette will post to the handle by which you are identified in the forum (with the exception, of course, that good grammar suggests that any noun be capitalized when it begins a sentence). I, for example, am quite obviously "bruto" by my indentification. If someone insisted on capitalizing it I would consider it an error, though a small one, and if someone suggested that failure to capitalize my visibly and conspicuously lower-case handle is a breach of rules, a sign of anarchy or an attempt to deny my existence I would count that person as utterly and incorrigibly stupid, if not bat-guano insane.
 
Darn. I thought this was going to be a thread about Christians disagreeing with each other about various Biblical "truths" as they each interpret them.

Those are always interesting and fun to watch.
 
There should be a sub forum simply called 'Epix.' It would be the most indecipherable place in the known universe.

Couldn't the OP just have been "why don't atheists capitalize god? It's a proper noun, so they should."
 
There should be a sub forum simply called 'Epix.' It would be the most indecipherable place in the known universe.

Couldn't the OP just have been "why don't atheists capitalize god? It's a proper noun, so they should."

Shouldn't that be ''epix''?
 

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