Belief in the Afterlife

[ufology]

Those are fascinating ideas. A lot of Oriental and indigenous spiritual practices, like meditation or taking certain drugs, are about shutting down or altering the normal mental processes of our mind in order to experience some kind of "higher consciousness" or "overmind" (I can't be sure here what terminology to use and I'm too keen on those words But in the absence of better alternatives they'll have to suffice.) I've personally never experienced this kind of thing, but people talk about the "veil being parted" and the "true self being audible once the noise of life is quietened." It must be an amazing feeling!

Thanks for adding a new slant to the conversation in your last few posts! The cryogenics resurrection ( suspended animation ) scenario would quite literally be an afterlife if it worked.

 

[RobRoy]

Thanks for adding a new slant to the conversation in your last few posts! The cryogenics resurrection ( suspended animation ) scenario would quite literally be an afterlife if it worked.

No, it wouldn't. By definition, it would still just be life.

 

[ufology]

No, it wouldn't. By definition, it would still just be life.

I was under the impression that with those cryo pods the person is dead, but preserved, and that the assumption is that science will be able to revive them at a later date when they can be fully repaired. So are you saying that they aren't dead? If not, then why would ressurecting them at a later date not qualify as an afterlife? I mean they would literally be here after death, but alive so this would be their hereafter.

 

[Resume]

No, it wouldn't. By definition, it would still just be life.

One Rredefinition coming up.

 

[Akhenaten]

Thanks for adding a new slant to the conversation in your last few posts! The cryogenics resurrection ( suspended animation ) scenario would quite literally be an afterlife if it worked.

The whole idea of life --> death --> afterlife is completely escaping you, isn't it?

 

[EHocking]

The whole idea of life --> death --> afterlife is completely escaping you, isn't it?

Oh, I don't know. With all these Rredefinitions, Ufology obviously believes he's the reincarnation of Samuel Johnson.

 

[Akhenaten]

I was under the impression that with those cryo pods the person is dead, but preserved, and that the assumption is that science will be able to revive them at a later date when they can be fully repaired. So are you saying that they aren't dead? If not, then why would ressurecting them at a later date not qualify as an afterlife?

Because it would simply be a continuation of life after something of a hiatus.

Your own use of the term suspended animation should have been a big tip off.

 

[Akhenaten]

Oh, I don't know. With all these Rredefinitions, Ufology obviously believes he's the reincarnation of Samuel Johnson.

C: Big blue wobbly thing that mermaids live in.

 

[Resume]

Thanks for adding a new slant to the conversation in your last few posts! The cryogenics resurrection ( suspended animation ) scenario would quite literally be an afterlife if it worked.

Because it would simply be a continuation of life after something of a hiatus.

Your own use of the term suspended animation should have been a big tip off.

Just in case.

 

[EHocking]

C: Big blue wobbly thing that mermaids live in.

I offer you my most enthusiastic contrafribularities.

 

[Resume]

C: Big blue wobbly thing that mermaids live in.

D. 48 inch talking wabbit.

 

[Akhenaten]

Just in case.

Thank You.

 

[EHocking]

D. 48 inch talking wabbit.

Yes. Tiny misunderstanding. Still, my hopes weren't high.

Oh, and "D?"
I'm quite pleased with "dog."
Yes, and your definition of "dog" is?
Not a cat."

 

[ufology]

Just in case.

I would agree ( with a certain person on my ignore list ) if the suspended animation were such that the client didn't actually die ... perhaps just slowed down a lot. But what about in the case of what would be considered clinical death?

 

[Akhenaten]

I would agree ( with a certain person on my ignore list ) if the suspended animation were such that the client didn't actually die ... perhaps just slowed down a lot. But what about in the case of what would be considered clinical death?

The whole idea of life --> death --> afterlife is completely escaping you, isn't it?

In either of the scenarios you're describing, what happens after the suspension is just a continuation of the same life that was going on before the suspension.

You really need to stop this nonsense of affecting a different understanding of what is actually meant by 'afterlife' to everyone else.

And all the other words as well, while you're at it.

 

[RobRoy]

I was under the impression that with those cryo pods the person is dead, but preserved, and that the assumption is that science will be able to revive them at a later date when they can be fully repaired. So are you saying that they aren't dead? If not, then why would ressurecting them at a later date not qualify as an afterlife? I mean they would literally be here after death, but alive so this would be their hereafter.

In either of the scenarios you're describing, what happens after the suspension is just a continuation of the same life that was going on before the suspension.

You really need to stop this nonsense of affecting a different understanding of what is actually meant by 'afterlife' to everyone else.

And all the other words as well, while you're at it.

This.

 

[ufology]

This.

That doesn't address this: "I would agree ( with a certain person on my ignore list ) if the suspended animation were such that the client didn't actually die ... perhaps just slowed down a lot. But what about in the case of what would be considered clinical death?"

BTW: please stop relaying answers from other people. You were doing just fine on your own. I'm interested in what you think, not them.

 

[RobRoy]

That doesn't address this: "I would agree ( with a certain person on my ignore list ) if the suspended animation were such that the client didn't actually die ... perhaps just slowed down a lot. But what about in the case of what would be considered clinical death?"

I wasn't responding to that. You asked me a question, someone else answered it nicely, and there wasn't anything more to add.

BTW: please stop relaying answers from other people. You were doing just fine on your own. I'm interested in what you think, not them.

Sure thing, I'll do anything you say as soon as you apologize for insulting me, admit where you've been wrong, and actually start having a discussion, rather than arguing your own point of view for arguments sake.

Deal?

 

[Marduk]

The afterlife (also referred to as life after death, the Hereafter, the Next World, or the Other Side) is the belief that a part of, or essence of, or soul of an individual, which carries with it and confers personal identity, survives the death of the body of this world and this lifetime, by natural or supernatural means, in contrast to the belief in eternal oblivion after death.

do you get it yet Ufol, if the body doesn't die permanently, then its not the afterlife, its just this one

 

[EHocking]

That doesn't address this: "I would agree ( with a certain person on my ignore list ) if the suspended animation were such that the client didn't actually die ... perhaps just slowed down a lot. But what about in the case of what would be considered clinical death?"

Then you're dead.

No large mammal brought back out of cryonic freezing has survived.

Cryonics is still the realm of science fiction.
The hypothesis that memories will be preserved in the frozen brain cells is still unproven.