Stray Cat
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Imagine waiting for the 12th of Never.Donny Osmond World. What a thought. One life is enough for me. Eternity would be a crashing bore.
Imagine waiting for the 12th of Never.Donny Osmond World. What a thought. One life is enough for me. Eternity would be a crashing bore.
Imagine waiting for the 12th of Never.
"Proof" you say!Speaking as a skeptic, show me the proof of an afterlife and I will believe.
"Proof" you say!
You can see it with your own eyes... step this way... muaaahaaahahahaha!!!!
I'm fairly sure beastiality is frowned upon in the afterlife... even in the Mormons version of it.Lots of puppy love too.
I'm fairly sure beastiality is frowned upon in the afterlife... even in the Mormons version of it.
ufology's stance is a classic example of why people believe in an afterlife.
I've had conversations in the past with people whom I thought were fairly logical thinking individuals that have been essentially no different than the conversations that have been taking place in this thread.
The topic of an afterlife comes up and the statement is made: "I think some part of us lives on after we die, like, you know, our soul or something." So I ask the question: "What evidence is there?" After that out come the logical fallacies.
ufology started out with some science fictional musings but when asked to provide evidence he resorted to logical fallacies because he felt like he had to defend his musings otherwise he'd lose face. I'm not even sure he believes what he's saying but out of pride he feels like he has to defend his position.
Donny Osmond World. What a thought.
One life is enough for me. Eternity would be a crashing bore.
More proclamations and misrepresentations. I have not said I believe in an afterlife and I am not religious. Nor do I believe in new ageism or the supernatural. So I am by no means a "classical example" of a believer.
For example, my example was not an appeal to authority as was claimed because I never made the appeal that because the scientist in my example takes it seriously it must be true. I only made the claim it is taken seriously.
More proclamations and misrepresentations. I have not said I believe in an afterlife and I am not religious. Nor do I believe in new ageism or the supernatural. So I am by no means a "classical example" of a believer. My initial statement was that I think an afterlife is possible based on a certain theory regarding what constitutes our reality, and I gave an example of how the concept is taken seriously by some scientific minds. Any suggestion of logical fallacy is purely a misinterpretation. For example, my example was not an appeal to authority as was claimed because I never made the appeal that because the scientist in my example takes it seriously it must be true. I only made the claim it is taken seriously.
An "ill thought out fantasy" would hit the bullseye (as long as it didn't get stuck in the bullpoo surrounding it).A certain idea would be nearer the mark.
An "ill thought out fantasy" would hit the bullseye (as long as it didn't get stuck in the bullpoo surrounding it).
Assuming we are still talking about the computational model, you are correct.
More proclamations and misrepresentations. I have not said I believe in an afterlife and I am not religious. Nor do I believe in new ageism or the supernatural. So I am by no means a "classical example" of a believer. My initial statement was that I think an afterlife is possible based on a certain theory regarding what constitutes our reality, and I gave an example of how the concept is taken seriously by some scientific minds. Any suggestion of logical fallacy is purely a misinterpretation. For example, my example was not an appeal to authority as was claimed because I never made the appeal that because the scientist in my example takes it seriously it must be true. I only made the claim it is taken seriously ... which obviously it is ( if you bothered to check the links I posted ) ... well I suppose except for that last one which was for humor ... I thought at least one person here would find it funny enough to lighten the mood.
Then you can explain how I'm sure. Please do.
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There are two different concepts here, and you're not understanding them. It's starting to look like you're doing that on purpose, but I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt.
The concepts are:
1 - A legitimate appeal to authority.
2 - A fallacious appeal to authority.
You cited the Wikipedia definition for the legitimate appeal to authority, which is perfectly, well, legitimate, as the name implies. Saying that Einstein believed in relativity, and therefore we should as well is a legitimate appeal of authority. The fallacious appeal to authority fails, usually because it misapplies the authority in question. Saying that Einstein believed in God is a fallacious appeal to authority. Einstein was a physicist, not a theologian or philosopher, so his opinion on this matter, while interesting, is a misuse of his name as an authority.
I think you missed the point of my analogy and I think you also missed my attempt to gently steer your postings back on topic.
Yes I did look at the links you posted and I found them interesting but I didn't see any supporting evidence and your links constituted an appeal to authority because of that.
I think my analogy is correct because you've asked yourself the question: Why do I believe an afterlife is possible? But then you gave up after that and instead of looking for evidence, started employing logical fallacies to defend a position you hadn't given enough thought to in the first place. These are exactly the kinds of conversations I have had with people (people that tell me that they're not religious too!) regarding an afterlife.
I'm also wondering what you mean when you say "I have not said I believe in an afterlife" and "... I think an afterlife is possible ..."
Sure, here you go.
I was more thinking about the way it was represented by it's proponent than the concept itself.See, that's not fair. A computational model could provide for a kind of continuation of life, but not an afterlife. The idea is sound enough. The execution, on the other hand, is not. Nor is the way in which ufology is trying to pretend a computational model actually works.
I was more thinking about the way it was represented by it's proponent than the concept itself.