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Being a racist while having a soft skull

Thermal said:
I think we all agree that Pujols went too far. At least I hope so. What interests me is how far provocation can be taken to be an incitement. Here, I'd say Pujols would have been clean to drag Old Pedo out by the scruff of the neck and bum's rush his ass out the door, whether generally legally permitted or not. Extenuating circumstances and all. Punching a very old man, racist or not, has to be looked at as a lethal assault though. A young blood can generally take what's coming to him. A senior citizen, not so much.
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Pujols should have just said the dude was reaching into his jacket. Therefore, he feared for his life and was standing his ground.
 
Warp12 said:
Of course. But, that does not justify the actions of the killer. Just like it didn't justify the actions of the cop, in the other case you mentioned.
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When a black man is illegally killed by a white cop you have no compunction about blaming him for his own death, despite the fact that the white cop is legally responsible.

But when a black man punches a white pedophile and is not legally responsible for his subsequent death, you pay lip service to the white pedophile's role and, once again, vilify the black man.

Why is that?
 
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johnny karate said:
When a black man is illegally killed by a white cop you have no compunction about claiming him for his own death, despite the fact that the white cop is legally responsible.

But when a black man punches a white pedophile and is not legally responsible for his subsequent death, you pay lip service to the white pedophile's role and, once again, vilify the black man.

Why is that?
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*Que 50 pages of the same tired apologetics and then the Mods swooping in to protect him*
 
johnny karate said:
Warp12 thinks a black guy who punches someone is more prone to violence than a white guy who raped and abused children.

Nope, no racism there at all.
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What are you talking about, lol? I said the 27 y/o who assaulted the 77 y/o was probably more prone to violence than average.

Talk about twisting things.
 
JoeMorgue said:
So we've established that literally nobody actually thinks this guy going down for murder is a bad thing.

So outside of the context of "Yeah would be nice if it happened the other way" what's to discuss? It's a nothingburger with a side of nothingfries.

And yet... certain people *cough cough* are going to act like this incident proves or means something.

What does it mean? Someone be so kind as to share it with me.

But you won't. Because you can't.
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It is showing legal tolerance to verbal provocation justifying deadly assault. That extrapolates.....interestingly.
 
Thermal said:
I think we all agree that Pujols went too far. At least I hope so. What interests me is how far provocation can be taken to be an incitement. Here, I'd say Pujols would have been clean to drag Old Pedo out by the scruff of the neck and bum's rush his ass out the door, whether generally legally permitted or not. Extenuating circumstances and all. Punching a very old man, racist or not, has to be looked at as a lethal assault though. A young blood can generally take what's coming to him. A senior citizen, not so much.
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Thermal said:
Because reality. You generally cannot grab and start shoving people around legally, no matter how righteous you feel.
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I think you're conflating assault with battery.

If you are being disruptive in a private business and asked to leave but refuse, you become a trespasser. In most jurisdictions, trespassers can legally be forcibly removed, in what would generally be considered assault in other siutations.

However, Pujols was convicted of battery, not assault, so it's irrelevant.
 
johnny karate said:
When a black man is illegally killed by a white cop you have no compunction about claiming him for his own death, despite the fact that the white cop is legally responsible.

But when a black man punches a white pedophile and is not legally responsible for his subsequent death, you pay lip service to the white pedophile's role and, once again, vilify the black man.

Why is that?
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Once again, in yet another thread, you are completely misrepresenting my statements.

I'm done debating you for today, Johnny Karate.
 
Warp12 said:
What are you talking about, lol? I said the 27 y/o who assaulted the 77 y/o was probably more prone to violence than average.

Talk about twisting things.
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The average what?

Pujols has no previous criminal record. The totality of his record for violent behavior is exactly one punch.

Meanwhile, the only other person involved was a repeated violent felon, but somehow it's the guy who punched him that you feel compelled to observe is "likely more prone to violence than average", despite having nothing to base that on.
 
Warp12 said:
Once again, in yet another thread, you are completely misrepresenting my statements.

I'm done debating you for today, Johnny Karate.
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I'm directly quoting you and I linked to the posts where you made the statements I'm quoting. I'm sorry if that's inconvenient for you.
 
johnny karate said:
The average what?

Pujols has no previous criminal record. The totality of his record for violent behavior is exactly one punch.

Meanwhile, the only other person involved was a repeated violent felon, but somehow it's the guy who punched him that you feel compelled to observe is "likely more prone to violence than average", despite having nothing to base that on.
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Lets see, switch the names Pujols for Rittenhouse...
 
Thermal said:
Lets see, switch the names Pujols for Rittenhouse...
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Did Pujol's go out of his way to include himself in a situation that had exactly **** all to do with him? No? Then the situations aren't similar. The comparison is 7 levels above asinine. Why they're being made is completely beyond me.
 
plague311 said:
Did Pujol's go out of his way to include himself in a situation that had exactly **** all to do with him? No? Then the situations aren't similar. The comparison is 7 levels above asinine. Why they're being made is completely beyond me.
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Because these people have a very small reference pool.

The comparison is so insane that it's yet another thing that's so wrong it's obviously daring us to call it out so the discussion can be dragged down into a billion subtopics away from their wrongness.
 
plague311 said:
Did Pujol's go out of his way to include himself in a situation that had exactly **** all to do with him? No? Then the situations aren't similar. The comparison is 7 levels above asinine. Why they're being made is completely beyond me.
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I'm not analogizing. I'm pointing out that the specific argument used is inconsistent.
 
plague311 said:
Did Pujol's go out of his way to include himself in a situation that had exactly **** all to do with him? No? Then the situations aren't similar. The comparison is 7 levels above asinine. Why they're being made is completely beyond me.
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Was Pujols being chased and/or under the threat of physical harm when he struck and killed dead pedo? Nope. He just hulked out, bashed a 77 y/o in the head, and killed him. Personally, I can't imagine having such a short fuse that I would physically attack a man 50 years my senior, just for calling me a name. Keeping this guy confined to his home for a couple of years seems the minimum action.

As you say, totally different circumstances.
 
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Warp12 said:
Was Pujols being chased and/or under the threat of physical harm when he struck and killed dead pedo? Nope. He just hulked out, bashed a 77 y/o in the head, and killed him. Personally, I can't imagine having such a short fuse that I would physically attack a man 50 years my senior, just for calling me a name. Keeping this guy confined to his home for a couple of years seems the minimum action.

As you say, totally different circumstances.
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But at least you're consistent in making the black guy the villain no matter what the circumstances are.
 
"I'm not racist, the black guy is always at fault or needs extra scrutiny in literally every single scenario" really is a headspace for some people.

I don't if it's sadder if they think we believe or if they actually do.
 
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