• Quick note - the problem with Youtube videos not embedding on the forum appears to have been fixed, thanks to ZiprHead. If you do still see problems let me know.

BBC2 Conspiracy Files 9/11

Those 4 posts from teh BBC website/forum have to be some of the stupidest CT stuff I have heard in a while. I guess they don't make CTers over there like they do on this side of the pond.

TAM:)

I give you Killtown.

Case closed.
 
Highly amusing attempt to debunk the BBC piece, including putting forward Stephen Jones' thermite theory as one that should've been seriously considered regarding the collapse. Oh and apparently the 1945 B-25 Empire State Building crash was somehow a useful precedent that should've been mentioned...

[URL="http://debunking-bbc.blogspot.com/"]http://debunking-bbc.blogspot.com/[/URL]

That blog is nuts. It repeats the pull-it, alive claims, mystery passport, thermite and others as their hardcore evidence. I will soon be making part 4 of my series. There I will attack the hijacker claims with latest knowledge including that 'mystery passport' myth. I try to find time to complete that part somewhere along the line.
 
... including that 'mystery passport' myth ...
It's off-topic, but afaik, the Suqami-passport is not a myth.

Suqami’s passport survived the attack: a passerby picked it up from the World Trade Center and handed to a New York Police Department detective shortly before the towers collapsed.
...
The passport was recovered by NYPD Detective Yuk H. Chin from a male passerby in a business suit, about 30 years old. The passerby left before being identified, while debris was falling from WTC 2. The tower collapsed shortly thereafter. The detective then gave the passport to the FBI on 9/11. See FBI report, interview of Detective Chin, Sept. 12, 2001.

9/11 Commission Staff statement
 
"Man in a suit"

Agent. lies. shill. sheep. disinfo.



[/Alex Moans]
Yes, it is bizarre. :)
But the source is quite credible.

I don't know if any effort has been made to identify the "male passerby in a business suit". If he was bona-fide, it is a little odd that he has not come forward.
Anyway, this is one of the (very minor) points that puzzle me.
 
Yes, it is bizarre. :)
But the source is quite credible.

I don't know if any effort has been made to identify the "male passerby in a business suit". If he was bona-fide, it is a little odd that he has not come forward.
Anyway, this is one of the (very minor) points that puzzle me.

Well if it was me, I doubt I'd come forward either. He found a passport and gave it to a cop. End of story.

If he stepped up now he would be constantly harassed by our nutjob friends.

Or he was an evil Mossad agent planting evidence yada yada yada...
 
Well if it was me, I doubt I'd come forward either. He found a passport and gave it to a cop. End of story.

If he stepped up now he would be constantly harassed by our nutjob friends.

Or he was an evil Mossad agent planting evidence yada yada yada...
Or he was an Al Qaeda acolyte prepositioned there with Suqami's passport ...

And no, don't ask me why they'd do that. Why are only our nutjob friends allowed baseless speculation? ;)
 
I watched this and it was so transparent. Those who were on the side of the official theory came across as idiots. I mean, the only thing found in shansville was a passport of a 'hijacker' and a bandana. Are they having a laugh?
 
I watched this and it was so transparent. Those who were on the side of the official theory came across as idiots. I mean, the only thing found in shansville was a passport of a 'hijacker' and a bandana. Are they having a laugh?

They also found a whole load of plane parts...also shown in the show.

Or did you cover your eyes and ears like a good conspiracy theorist should?
 
I watched this and it was so transparent. Those who were on the side of the official theory came across as idiots. I mean, the only thing found in shansville was a passport of a 'hijacker' and a bandana. Are they having a laugh?
They also found body parts of all the passengers and crew, all identified by DNA. :rolleyes:

+ what eddyk says of course
 
I watched this and it was so transparent. Those who were on the side of the official theory came across as idiots. I mean, the only thing found in shansville was a passport of a 'hijacker' and a bandana. Are they having a laugh?

The only people who look like idiots are those who actually believe all they found was a 'passport and a bandana'. It means that they formed a predisposed conclusion about what happened without even the most rudimentary of investigation into the event.

I suppose all those first responders and hundreds of volunteers who for weeks scoured the ground picking up hundreds of bits of bone, personal effects, and airplane fragments are idiots as well?
 
The only people who look like idiots are those who actually believe all they found was a 'passport and a bandana'. It means that they formed a predisposed conclusion about what happened without even the most rudimentary of investigation into the event.

I suppose all those first responders and hundreds of volunteers who for weeks scoured the ground picking up hundreds of bits of bone, personal effects, and airplane fragments are idiots as well?

They actually didn't finish sifting debris for human remains and whatnot until sometime last year I think.
 
It's off-topic, but afaik, the Suqami-passport is not a myth.

Sorry, I presented my case poorly :blush:. Of course the passport was there. I meant the claims about the passport surviving the inferno.

What is a myth is, that there was something mysterious about that passport. There wasn't.
 
Last edited:
Here are some examples of the subliminal messages that the imagery in the documentary is used to convey:



Narrator: " but some will just not accept the official account, no matter how distressing this might be to the victims families"

IMAGERY: A raggdoll lying on a bench.

ASSOCIATIONS: Brings to mind a mourge, the doll becomes an effigy off a dead child
The narrators comments and the imagery implies that the "conspiracy theorists" are insensitive to
the grief of the victims families


This is repeated throughout the film.




IMAGERY: Internet sites filmed right from the screen are flashing by again drifting in and out of focus, through out the film.



ASSOCIATION: Conspiracy theories fester on the internet, ( but are not real )




LIGHT VS DARKNESS


Dylan, Jim and Alex are all filmed in more or less dark rooms.

Jim Fetzer is introduced with a view over a nocturnal suburbia.


Most of the other paricipants are filmed in light and airy enviroments


ASSOCIATION: Conspiracy theories fester in the dark, light dispels them!



THE BIRD EYE AND THE FISH EYE.

prior to presenting someone objecting the conspiracy claims, we are shown bird eye views over cityscapes or the
Hollywood mountains, this symbolism prepares the viewer for the clear sighted overview that mongers of bad science and
X-files fiction writers are supposed to give us.

At the end, we se passenger planes about to take off, to make a conection to the last trip the passengers on the 4 airplanes ever made.

We take off with one of the airplanes, leaving the conspiracies behind, accepting the "painful truth" in the fiction wrtiters words.


The imagery of conspiracies are framed differently, the camera plunges beneath the surface of a lake, pages are sinking to the
bottom, together with the myths,



ASSOCIATION: Conspiracy theories lingers beneath the surface or underground.




The wide angle lens is used througout the film, but it conveys different messages.

A close upp wide angle view of an agitated Jim Fetzer makes him out as the conspiracy bogeyman of the film

When the same teqnique is used on David Colburn and the pilot, it is to convey a feeling of monumentality and authority


David is also presented with lots of books about 911, and piles off paper, on his desk, suggesting his thorough investigation.




We are presented with a dramatization or " reconstruction " as they call it of what happened at the
North American Aerospace Defence command as they recieved the first phonecalls about possible hijackings.

The narrator is telling us the official story as we see a dramatized reconstruction off the events, the imagery
suggests confusion and desorientation, thereby "explaining" why everything went wrong on that day.

Running the story and the imagery side by side , we are made to believe that this is what actually happened.
 
Niclas:

Nice post!

I have been reading Jean Baudrillard's "Simulacra and Simulation" as well as "The Spirit of Terrorism". Very interesting stuff!

Most of us watched 9/11 through the filter of television - a "cold" medium indeed. TV allows us to be detached from the real events. Those who saw the collapse for real from the streets of New York screamed and cried out in shock and horror. Those who watched "the movie" on TV, sat impassively ..... We are fed what the "media" want us to see; and the media moguls understand full well the power of symbolism.....
 
A close upp wide angle view of an agitated Jim Fetzer makes him out as the conspiracy bogeyman of the film

I can assure you the camera angle's contribution to making Fetzer out as "conspiracy bogeyman" was minimal. Jim deserves the lion's share of credit in that department.
 
it´s all about advertising, it´s the banality of evil, and this is true no matter
what conspiracy version you believe.

The persons behind this attack fully understand how to create publicity.

You have to create a trademark to sell terror to the people.

" nineeleven" sounds catchy and is made to be used by politicians
and tv networks over and over again.

How about "thirtythirdofoctober" ? not as catchy ey!?

The visual impact is much more important than casualties,
people will forget about numbers but remember pictures of the planes hitting the buildings
and la grande finale, the towers collapsing.
 
Last edited:
of course i undertand that you did not like what he had to say, with or without
the wide angle lens, but my point is that the documentary falsely claims to be objective
 
Last edited:
Well perhaps if the thirtythirdofoctober actually existed, it might!

TAM:D
 

Back
Top Bottom