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BBC slanted reportage

My view: The BBC appears - consistently - to be desperate to avoid offending the "underdog" in it's reportage, leading to slanted writing whereby anyone without other sources of info (lgf etc) would be steered towards accepting the "underdogs" version of events, facts be damned.
Don't be surprized by this BBC article Giz. This isn't a story about something that happened rather it's a story spun out of what "could" happen. It must have been a slow news day.

All we have to do is read the words:

Israel 'could occupy Gaza again'
...and Israel could land on the moon, it could invade Poland, it could turn the sky a pretty color of purple. Those are all hypotheticals just like the byline of the article " Israel could occupy Gaza again".

An Israeli general has said Israel will consider re-occupying part or all of Gaza, if Palestinian militants continue firing rockets across the border.
So what's the big surprize? Israel will consider re-occupying Gaza if the rockets don't stop. Damn those mean old Israelis oppressing the Palestinians like that. How dare they consider things. Meanwhile since Israel left Gaza the rockets have been coming every day. Yesterday, (Apr 20th), there was seven Qassams fired at Israel.

The rockets rarely cause significant damage or casualties.
In the author's expert opinion I guess. The rockets are a psychological weapon against a civilian population. Like the V1 & V2 were psychological weapons against a civilian population during WW2. These daily bombardments of Palestinian rockets on Israeli civilians causes shock-related illnesses, property destruction and death. No big deal I guess if you are a BBC reporter in your comfy climate-controlled office in London....I wonder how the reporters at the BBC would like these rockets landing in and around where they live in London every day. Would their tune change?
 
Don't be surprized by this BBC article Giz. This isn't a story about something that happened rather it's a story spun out of what "could" happen. It must have been a slow news day.

The BBC is not making any hypothetical statements in this article. They are reporting a statement that has actually been made. There is a difference between a journalist suggesting that Israel might reoccupy Gaza and "the head of the Israeli military's southern command" suggesting it. The latter is newsworthy and is what the article is about.
 
Hey, Hodgy. Could you take at look at that woman who reads the news on BBCNews24 - can't remember her name, but she's the giggly brunette one with glasses - and tell us how she votes?
My husband ilikes watching her, but can't fully commit himself to total fanworship until he's certain that she hasn't got any leftward political leanings.

I take your point and of course I'm not claiming that everyone in the BBC has the same political opinions.

On the other hand, I'd feel pretty confident about predicting that an opinion poll of BBC staff would reveal a significant left-leaning profile (i.e. compared to a random selection of the population).

Would you be inclined to agree or disagree with my prediction?
 
actually, the London bombings didn't cause that much of a stir, yes there was shock for a couple of weeks, but frankly, they have been largely forgotten about, as Londoners just get on with their day to day lives.

That's true, but when there was a stir, there was a stir. And there are responses on the database of this server that show it.

Now, you're right. Nobody gives a flying leap at a rolling doughnut. People in Britain don't even seem to care whether the decision to prosecute in the Charles de Menezes case takes the better part of a decade. They're even kind of proud of it, because they think that slowness is correlated with accuracy. I know this because I was told so in no uncertain terms by Brits. This also is in the database.
 
The BBC has a long history of slanted reporting, as is seen by its use of language. According to the BBC, there are no Arab terrorists, only "militants"; any jew who is more right-wing than them (or the israeli intelligentia) is a "right-wing extremist"; the Palestinians are always "reporting" what happen (i.e., giving the facts) while the israelis "claim" or "allege" that this or that happened (i.e., they might be lying, and in any case are just giving personal opinion).

In addition to language, everything is set in an anti-israeli context. Generally speaking, any Palestinian attack is seen as being "provoked" and is explained/excused away as much as possible, but israeli actions are almost invariably seen as "excessive", etc., etc.

Also, their "human rights" concerns are strictly one-sided. Concern about the Palestinians' civil rights are only important when the civil right violations (whatever their justification) can be blamed on israel. The actions of the Palestinian factions against their own people are passed over in silence, as the jews cannot be blamed; nor is there a whisper of a hint of a possiblity that, just maybe, a war of terror and annihilation against israel might violate israelis' civil rights to some degree as well.

Finally, some things the BBC is just too polite to speak about. Things like the PLO and Hamas' charter dedication to israel's destruction--let alone numerous such pronouncements from Palestinian leaders, "activists", religious figures, etc.--are treated in the BBC with embarrasment, something that shouldn't be talked about publically, as if they were military secrets; and in any case they are surely irrelevant to undestanding the situation.

Is this antisemitism? Possibly... but it's equaly likely that the BBC simply is so wrapped up in the European intelligentia's "sophiticated moral outlook"--"Palestinians are victims, so anything they do is justified and good or at least not their fault; israelies are evils, so we must be outraged with them"--it cannot afford to think differently. This seems to me not so much bias against jews in particular or for Palestinians in particular, but an attempt to protect a larger world view.

The very core of the European Intelligentia's "sophistical moral world view" is, of course, that the world is divided into "victims" and "opressors", and that one's moral worth is determined by (a) demanding as little as possible--preferably nothing at all--in the way of decency or responsiblity from anybody who is declared a "victim", and (b) expressing public, and vocal, outrage and shock at anybody who is an "opressor".

The idea that being a "victim" does not absolve one from responsibility for one's actions, or that one's moral righteousness is not actually determined by the amount of public moral outrage one directs at the "opressor" du jour, must at all costs be kept at bay or else the whole worldview collapses, and with it one's sense of moral superiority.

Thus, the Palestinians simply must be allowed to do anything at all, and the israelis must always be blamed--to save the victimology worldview, which, according to the European intelligentia, is the most precious thing one can have.
 
That's true, but when there was a stir, there was a stir. And there are responses on the database of this server that show it.
there was a stir on the days yes, but then people got on with their lives, I'm not sure what your problem is with this?
Now, you're right. Nobody gives a flying leap at a rolling doughnut. People in Britain don't even seem to care whether the decision to prosecute in the Charles de Menezes case takes the better part of a decade. They're even kind of proud of it, because they think that slowness is correlated with accuracy. I know this because I was told so in no uncertain terms by Brits. This also is in the database.
How is this relevant to the topic under discussion at all?
 
The BBC has a long history of slanted reporting, as is seen by its use of language. According to the BBC, there are no Arab terrorists, only "militants";

The word terrorist is far to polictaly loaded to use in something that is meant to be nutral. it has also long since been dilituted to the point of meaningles consider:

Code:
Today the terroist George W. Bush todays condemed the terroist group Hammas for it's attack on the terroism supporting state of isreal. Israel's state funded terroist group the IDF responded by fireing missiels into the terroist run gazza strip. 

Now sport the terroist all blacks sucessfully defended thier 5 game winning streak....

You see the problem.

Militant along with insergent is a very useful word since it doesn't have much in the way of political conitations and fairly accuertly describes the asseroted odd bods who seem to be involved in so much of modern conflict


any jew who is more right-wing than them (or the israeli intelligentia) is a "right-wing extremist"; the Palestinians are always "reporting" what happen (i.e., giving the facts) while the israelis "claim" or "allege" that this or that happened (i.e., they might be lying, and in any case are just giving personal opinion).

In addition to language, everything is set in an anti-israeli context. Generally speaking, any Palestinian attack is seen as being "provoked" and is explained/excused away as much as possible, but israeli actions are almost invariably seen as "excessive", etc., etc.

Evidence?

Also, their "human rights" concerns are strictly one-sided.

Not true. They are zero sided. The BBC isn't concerned about human rights

Concern about the Palestinians' civil rights are only important when the civil right violations (whatever their justification) can be blamed on israel.

Palistians shooting each other isn't newsworthy unless it rises to a reasonable level. When it does it gets repoted. Isreali shelling generaly isn't newsworthy either.

The actions of the Palestinian factions against their own people are passed over in silence, as the jews cannot be blamed; nor is there a whisper of a hint of a possiblity that, just maybe, a war of terror and annihilation against israel might violate israelis' civil rights to some degree as well.

I don't recall Israel ever mentioning that in a news confrence. Generaly they just condemed the actions and blamed Arafat.

Finally, some things the BBC is just too polite to speak about. Things like the PLO and Hamas' charter dedication to israel's destruction--let alone numerous such pronouncements from Palestinian leaders, "activists", religious figures, etc.--are treated in the BBC with embarrasment, something that shouldn't be talked about publically, as if they were military secrets; and in any case they are surely irrelevant to undestanding the situation.

Those charters have existed for decades. Hardly news. People generaly don't bother reporting that the western sahara is still ocupied either.


The very core of the European Intelligentia's "sophistical moral world view" is, of course, that the world is divided into "victims" and "opressors",

Nope see the KLA in montenegro.
 
The BBC has a long history of slanted reporting, as is seen by its use of language. According to the BBC, there are no Arab terrorists, only "militants"; any jew who is more right-wing than them (or the israeli intelligentia) is a "right-wing extremist"; the Palestinians are always "reporting" what happen (i.e., giving the facts) while the israelis "claim" or "allege" that this or that happened (i.e., they might be lying, and in any case are just giving personal opinion). [/i]
I just searched their website. You are wrong.

In addition to language, everything is set in an anti-israeli context. Generally speaking, any Palestinian attack is seen as being "provoked" and is explained/excused away as much as possible, but israeli actions are almost invariably seen as "excessive", etc., etc.
Ditto.

Is this antisemitism? Possibly... but it's equaly likely that the BBC simply is so wrapped up in the European intelligentia's "sophiticated moral outlook"--"Palestinians are victims, so anything they do is justified and good or at least not their fault; israelies are evils, so we must be outraged with them"--it cannot afford to think differently. This seems to me not so much bias against jews in particular or for Palestinians in particular, but an attempt to protect a larger world view.

The very core of the European Intelligentia's "sophistical moral world view" is, of course, that the world is divided into "victims" and "opressors", and that one's moral worth is determined by (a) demanding as little as possible--preferably nothing at all--in the way of decency or responsiblity from anybody who is declared a "victim", and (b) expressing public, and vocal, outrage and shock at anybody who is an "opressor".

The idea that being a "victim" does not absolve one from responsibility for one's actions, or that one's moral righteousness is not actually determined by the amount of public moral outrage one directs at the "opressor" du jour, must at all costs be kept at bay or else the whole worldview collapses, and with it one's sense of moral superiority.
Speaking as a member of the "European intelligensia" --- if by this you mean people who are further east, further left, and further along the bell curve than you --- would you please stop telling bizarre xenophobic lies about my opinions?

Cheers.
 
... but it's equaly likely that the BBC simply is so wrapped up in the European intelligentia's "sophiticated moral outlook"--"Palestinians are victims, so anything they do is justified and good or at least not their fault; israelies are evils, so we must be outraged with them"--it cannot afford to think differently. This seems to me not so much bias against jews in particular or for Palestinians in particular, but an attempt to protect a larger world view.

The very core of the European Intelligentia's "sophistical moral world view" is, of course, that the world is divided into "victims" and "opressors", and that one's moral worth is determined by (a) demanding as little as possible--preferably nothing at all--in the way of decency or responsiblity from anybody who is declared a "victim", and (b) expressing public, and vocal, outrage and shock at anybody who is an "opressor".

The idea that being a "victim" does not absolve one from responsibility for one's actions, or that one's moral righteousness is not actually determined by the amount of public moral outrage one directs at the "opressor" du jour, must at all costs be kept at bay or else the whole worldview collapses, and with it one's sense of moral superiority.

Thus, the Palestinians simply must be allowed to do anything at all, and the israelis must always be blamed--to save the victimology worldview, which, according to the European intelligentia, is the most precious thing one can have.
I knew I'd heard this somewhere before.

It was the word "intelligensia" which finally gave me the tip.

Now if you'd just said "cosmopolitan" instead of "European", I'd have twigged straight away.

... but it's equaly likely that the Zionists are simply so wrapped up in the Jewish intelligentia's "sophiticated moral outlook"--"Jews are victims, so anything they do is justified and good or at least not their fault; anyone who complains are anti-semites, so we must be outraged with them"--it cannot afford to think differently. This seems to me not so much bias against Aryans in particular or for Jews in particular, but an attempt to protect a larger world view.

The very core of the Jewish Intelligentia's "sophistical moral world view" is, of course, that the world is divided into "victims" and "opressors", and that one's moral worth is determined by (a) demanding as little as possible--preferably nothing at all--in the way of decency or responsiblity from anybody who is declared a "victim", and (b) expressing public, and vocal, outrage and shock at anybody who is an "opressor".

The idea that being a "victim" does not absolve one from responsibility for one's actions, or that one's moral righteousness is not actually determined by the amount of public moral outrage one directs at the "opressor" du jour, must at all costs be kept at bay or else the whole worldview collapses, and with it one's sense of moral superiority.

Thus, the Jews simply must be allowed to do anything at all, and the "anti-semites" must always be blamed--to save the victimology worldview, which, according to the Jewish intelligentia, is the most precious thing one can have.
 
actually, the London bombings didn't cause that much of a stir, yes there was shock for a couple of weeks, but frankly, they have been largely forgotten about, as Londoners just get on with their day to day lives.
Mainly because thy where just two more incidents in a long string of bombings in London.

Widely separated bombings. What would the public mood be if attacks occured with the frequency that they do in Isreal? (And for good measure from foriegn soil where your police cannot operate)

Geni, "Life goes on."
- Geez, remind me to quote that at you if any of your family ever get blown up by terrorists. Could you demonstrate any less empathy for fellow humans...
 
Widely separated bombings. What would the public mood be if attacks occured with the frequency that they do in Isreal? (And for good measure from foriegn soil where your police cannot operate)
perhaps you could have read my post in the context is was posted which was to rebut a specific point made comparing the July 7th bombing to the 9/11. I made no comparison between the London bombing and the situation is Israel.
 
Widely separated bombings. What would the public mood be if attacks occured with the frequency that they do in Isreal? (And for good measure from foriegn soil where your police cannot operate)

Not happened so it is a bit hard to tell. I don't recall that we invaded Southen Irland that often though.


Geni, "Life goes on."
- Geez, remind me to quote that at you if any of your family ever get blown up by terrorists. Could you demonstrate any less empathy for fellow humans...

Sure. I could ignore the bloodiest war since WW2 however that is beside the point. When faced with terroism "life goes on" is the only sensible atitude. Particaly if your oposition will view any other aproach as a sign of weakness.
 
When faced with terroism "life goes on" is the only sensible atitude. Particaly if your oposition will view any other aproach as a sign of weakness.

If you think really hard you may be able to grasp a couple of differences between:
1) One off attack in London,
2) Gaza/Israel, where repeated attacks are launched across the border with the connivence of (or sometimes by) the local authorities.

The same response might not fit all scenarios, hmm?
 
If you think really hard you may be able to grasp a couple of differences between:
1) One off attack in London,

Terroist attacks on london are hardly abnormal.

2) Gaza/Israel, where repeated attacks are launched across the border with the connivence of (or sometimes by) the local authorities.

The same response might not fit all scenarios, hmm?

Never show weakness. Showing the oposition that even their best has not ultimately hurt you is a standard part of propaganda.
 
Never show weakness. Showing the oposition that even their best has not ultimately hurt you is a standard part of propaganda.

I agree that one should not show weakness to Hamas/Islamic Jihad et al . I just dont think that that the best way for the Israelis to demonstrate their strength is to bend over and take the rockets passively, as opposed to demonstrating that actions have consequences.
 
I agree that one should not show weakness to Hamas/Islamic Jihad et al . I just dont think that that the best way for the Israelis to demonstrate their strength is to bend over and take the rockets passively, as opposed to demonstrating that actions have consequences.

I just want to add that this represents my feelings exactly!
 
I agree that one should not show weakness to Hamas/Islamic Jihad et al . I just dont think that that the best way for the Israelis to demonstrate their strength is to bend over and take the rockets passively, as opposed to demonstrating that actions have consequences.

Passively? How many shells have been fired into gazza in the last month?
 
Passively? How many shells have been fired into gazza in the last month?

I don't think he's claiming the Israeli response is passive. Rather he's assuming that those who criticize the Israeli response would prefer they be passive instead, and he's arguing against that.
 

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