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smartcooky
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Of course not... because truth is the best defense in a lawsuit!
smartcooky
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Wait until you get the the part about the slave trade - truly amazing how these producers have completely re-imagined selective parts of history.
You'll really enjoy the part about how it was Africans themselves who were the major sellers of slaves to Britain and America - yes, they rounded up their own people and sold them into slavery... oh wait, no you won't - that is never mentioned beyond in passing.
Well then, perhaps you'll really enjoy the part about how the British led the world in putting an end to the slave trade, and were the first nation in the world that had slavery, to abolish it... .... oh wait, no you won't - that hardly gets a mention.
OK, but wait until you get to the see the part about how the Royal Navy's West Africa squadron blockaded the slave trade routes from 1808 to 1860, intercepting about 1,600 slave ships, and setting about 150,000 enslaved Africans free, but at the cost of the lives of about 1,800 Royal Navy personnel... ... oh, but wait again, not you won't. This is not even mentioned at all!!
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Emily's Cat
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Of course he did. SMH. It would be great if someone were to take away Trump's ability to sue people while he's in office... along with their access to social media.
smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
Here's some further reading for you. If you won't believe it from me, perhaps you might believe one of the UK's leading historians.
Lawrence Goldman PhD, FRHistS is an English historian and academic. He was director of the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography for 10 years, from 2004 to 2014, and director of the Institute of Historical Research from 2014 to 2017 at the University of London.
BBC Bias in British History: Olusoga’s Empire Reviewed
BBC bias in British history persists in David Olusoga’s Empire, critics argue, with selective storytelling, missing context and a relentlessly negative portrayal.
historyreclaimed.co.uk
No one watching these three programmes could be in any doubt that the ‘negative view of British History’ pervades everything. The series is not a balanced history of the empire but a collection of some of its most controversial and violent episodes. When Olusoga himself isn’t telling us what to think we switch to a panel of largely young people (whose backgrounds and qualifications for reflection are not made clear) who continue in the same largely negative vein.
No-one who calls themselves a historian, when presenting a historical documentary to the public, should ever be telling their audience what to think, or how to interpret facts, Nor should they cherry-picking examples to fit their personal agenda they wal Olusoga did - repeatedly. The BBC needs to look outside its own clique of biased liberal elites to see how to present controversial historical topics to their audience. They could not go far wrong looking to someone like Ken Burns. His documentary "The Civil War" is one of the greatest historical documentary series ever made - it presents the facts, the events, the battles, and details in a balanced fashion, without favour to either side of the issue.
Andy_Ross
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More legal troubles for the BBC
'The BBC are going to be skint very quickly, the way they're going.'
Reform UK candidate Orla Minihane reacts to news Thomas Skinner is planning to sue the BBC, accusing them of 'rigging' the Strictly Come Dancing to have him booted from the show
'The BBC are going to be skint very quickly, the way they're going.'
Reform UK candidate Orla Minihane reacts to news Thomas Skinner is planning to sue the BBC, accusing them of 'rigging' the Strictly Come Dancing to have him booted from the show
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Andy_Ross
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Worse for the BBC than the Trump issue.
'If Thomas Skinner can prove that his vote was fiddled because of his political affiliations, that's almost worst than the Trump issue!'
@BeverleyTurner reacts to news Thomas Skinner will sue the BBC, accusing them of rigging the Strictly Come Dancing vote against him.
'If Thomas Skinner can prove that his vote was fiddled because of his political affiliations, that's almost worst than the Trump issue!'
@BeverleyTurner reacts to news Thomas Skinner will sue the BBC, accusing them of rigging the Strictly Come Dancing vote against him.
smartcooky
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If you are seeing this as complaining about "a criticism of British Imperialism" then the point of what he is saying has gone right over your head. You have completely ignored what he is saying. I guess you made that stupid comment without even bothering to read the article.
angrysoba
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I have a subscription to Amazon co.uk in order to buy Christmas presents for friends and family in England, as well as Nord VPN and yet I have never been able to watch their videos as they seem to know it is a VPN and won't let me despite having paid for it. In which country are you paying for Amazon Prime, because I am pretty sure you cannot simply pay in NZ and then use other countries's websites to watch their videos.
This, from David Olusoga seems pretty interesting... it mentions pretty much each and every statistic you gave there.
angrysoba
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Honestly, this is just complete nonsense. I have studied history at undergraduate level and also read plenty of history books for pleasure and I if there is one thing that is true of almost anyone who calls themselves an historian it is that they have very strong opinions about their interpretation of events being correct thereby telling the reader (or the viewer for those who prefer video) what to think.
In a small selection of books I have read...
Christopher Browning, for example, tells the readers that those order battalion police officers perpetrating the mass shootings of the Holocaust were "obeying orders" in a Milgram-esque way which, he argues, is a powerful explanation for how ordinary men commit atrocities.
Daniel Jonah Goldhagen disputes this and says that the 101st Order Battalion were behaving as they did because they, like almost all Germans, were anti-semitic to the core and he showed examples of police officers otherwise refusing orders while dutifully murdering Jews.
Richard Evans claimed that they were both wrong, and that the Order Battalion were not "ordinary men" at all but had been through a process of rigourous training and propagandizing before those who made the grade were sent to the killing fields to commit mass murder.
In each case there must be, by necessity, a sifting of what is and isn't relevant to the narrative. The idea that you just throw facts at the viewers "without favour" to either side, that you might tell the story of the Holocaust while scrupulously avoiding any blame of the Nazis, is at best fanciful.
As for Ken Burns, he is not a historian and his Civil War documentary, from what I watched of it, was a bit of a snooze-fest at times. Very earnest, sure, and lots of slow pans across photographs with banjo music playing behind it. And of course, it too has come in for criticism, as any and every documentary will.
Look at this one, for example. Niall Ferguson here saying that not enough people recognize how great the empire was. How is he not telling people what to think with this documentary when the whole project is based on the idea of preventing the empire being seen in too harsh a light?
angrysoba
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I've never heard of him, except for the times you keep linking to his appearances on GB News and his website.Here's some further reading for you. If you won't believe it from me, perhaps you might believe
one of the UK's leading historians.
Lawrence Goldman PhD, FRHistS is an English historian and academic. He was director of the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography for 10 years, from 2004 to 2014, and director of the Institute of Historical Research from 2014 to 2017 at the University of London.
BBC Bias in British History: Olusoga’s Empire Reviewed
BBC bias in British history persists in David Olusoga’s Empire, critics argue, with selective storytelling, missing context and a relentlessly negative portrayal.No one watching these three programmes could be in any doubt that the ‘negative view of British History’ pervades everything. The series is not a balanced history of the empire but a collection of some of its most controversial and violent episodes. When Olusoga himself isn’t telling us what to think we switch to a panel of largely young people (whose backgrounds and qualifications for reflection are not made clear) who continue in the same largely negative vein.
It seems he is very, very keen to tell you what to think, and you are very, very keen to pass anything he says right along, alongside your glowing praise for him.
Oooooh, he has a PhD!!!! How fascinating. But of course, Olusoga also has a PhD in history from UCL, and he doesn't just "call himself a historian" as you sneer, as he is a professor of history at the University of Manchester.
Gulliver Foyle
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Goldman has fallen hard for the far right Flavor Aid. He's now heavily involved in restore trust and history reclaimed, both organisations set up to peddle far right and racist pseudo-history.
It's what happens when you let your prejudices trump your critical thinking.
Andy_Ross
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Aren't universities woke?
smartcooky
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That is an outright lie, they do no such thing. The rewriting of history by elites is what people like Lawrence are trying to prevent.
We are sleepwalking into the world predicted by Orwell in 1949...
- mass surveillance
- party propaganda
- manipulation of truth
- no jury trials
- cancellation of elections
- punishing dissent and free speech
Those who live inside their tribal bubbles at both of the far ends of the political spectrum are helping us to get here.
It's what happens when you let your blind tribal loyalties trump your critical thinking.
angrysoba
Philosophile
What does the word “elites” mean to you? Apparently Lawrence Goldman, head of this or that institute, is NOT elite, and neither are GB News or Unherd, etc…. But David Olusoga is elite?
And what has he actually “re-written”?
Oh, sorry, I meant “Lawrence”. On first name terms are we?
And Orwell wrote 1984 in 1948. Think about it! He deliberately transposed the last two numbers in the title.
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angrysoba
Philosophile
*Man in red hat sweating about whether or not to denounce BBC for cancel culture or for having enabled a pervert.*
Of course, in reality the people who want to denounce the BBC will denounce it for both and not be troubled for a single second with cognitive dissonance.