Bart Ehrman on the Historical Jesus

[dejudge]

My vote wasn't serious. I was bored and just clicked on one. My point is that I agree that there are no gods. I have no idea why you are getting so het up about this. What is the problem?

You are still bored. You just post here because of boredom. Have a nice day.
CLICK!!!

 

[Brainache]

Are you deliberately misunderstanding post after post ?
...

I'm starting to think it isn't deliberate.

Do you think that if Jesus was really a Crucified Criminal, caught red-handed, that he would be worshiped as a God by those who caught him in the act and Crucified him?


According to HJers, obscure HJ created havoc in the Jewish Temple and he was Crucified for the Crime.

Why would the Jews and Romans worshiped a known Crucified Criminal as a God which supposedly preached by Paul since the time of Gaius c 37-41 CE?


The HJ argument makes no sense--that is the problem.

One more time:

Do you think that if Jesus was really a Crucified Criminal, caught red-handed, that he would be worshiped as a God by those who caught him in the act and Crucified him?

What are you blathering about? The people Paul was preaching to were not Roman Soldiers acting under orders from Pilate.

Your argument is stupid.

According to HJers, obscure HJ created havoc in the Jewish Temple and he was Crucified for the Crime.

"a disturbance" is not the same as "creating havoc".

Why would the Jews and Romans worship a known Crucified Criminal as a God which was supposedly preached by Paul since the time of Gaius c 37-41 CE?

Paul did not call Jesus God.

Your argument is stupid and your grammar is appalling.

Surely if obscure HJ was crucified after the disturbance at the Temple then obscure HJ never abolished the Laws of the Jews.

Um... Is this supposed to be some kind of argument against the historicity of Rabbi Jesus? Because it isn't.

Your argument is once again, stupid.

The Jewish and Romans Laws were enforced and he was Crucified.

The claim that HJ was crucified destroys the credibility of the Pauline Corpus.

HJ was "abolished" [crucified] by the Laws of the Jews and Romans

Are you saying that because Paul preached about spirits and salvation and other Theological nonsense, that this has some bearing on whether or not Jesus existed?

That is an extremely stupid argument.

The HJ argument makes no sense with supposed authentic Pauline writings--that is the problem.

The problem is that your arguments are basically pretty stupid.

They are totally useless for any purpose beyond parody.

Sorry.

One of us is certainly misunderstanding, I can't say whether deliberately or not since my mind reading fu is weak but you seem to have no problem with imputing intentions to others.

If you're going to deny that the crucifixion has been used as evidence of an HJ I don't see how quoting posts you have already read will help.

It isn't deliberate, is it?

That is genuine confusion over a very straightforward piece of simple logic. It happens a lot on this forum.

 

[dejudge]

What are you blathering about? The people Paul was preaching to were not Roman Soldiers acting under orders from Pilate.

You mean none of the people involved with the supposed trial and crucifixion of Jesus ever heard Paul supposed preaching?

Your argument is stupid.

 

[dafydd]

You are still bored. You just post here because of boredom. Have a nice day.
CLICK!!!

How about actually addressing my question instead of shouting?

 

[Brainache]

You mean none of the people involved with the supposed trial and crucifixion of Jesus ever heard Paul supposed preaching?

Your argument is stupid.

Why would they? They were in Jerusalem or reposted elsewhere, like Britain or somewhere.

The people who were in Jerusalem did have a problem with Paul's preaching. James and Co. told him to go preach somewhere else and leave Jews alone. They did not like Paul's message at all. They were the people who knew the HJ and they were the ones who were calling Paul a liar.

So I still have no idea what you are blathering about.

 

[dejudge]

Why would they? They were in Jerusalem or reposted elsewhere, like Britain or somewhere.

Please, stop your stupid argument.

It is claimed that Paul was in Jerusalem in Galatians and Romans.


Romans 15:19 KJV

Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.

Galatians 1:18 KJV

Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.

 

[dafydd]

Please, stop your stupid argument.

It is claimed that Paul was in Jerusalem in Galatians and Romans.


Romans 15:19 KJV


Galatians 1:18 KJV

So what? I too have no idea what you are droning on about.

 

[Brainache]

Please, stop your stupid argument.

It is claimed that Paul was in Jerusalem in Galatians and Romans.


Romans 15:19 KJV


Galatians 1:18 KJV

That's right. The people in Jerusalem told him to **** off with his lies. That was the point of what I wrote, but you left out.

Everyone can see this dishonesty of yours.

The Roman Soldiers who arrested and crucified Jesus were not in Paul's audience. Why would they be?

 

[Belz...]

The HJ argument makes no sense--that is the problem.

It makes every bit of sense. It's the evidence that's lacking.

The MJ, however, is in even worse shape, because it makes less sense AND has no evidence.

 

[Craig B]

Please, stop your stupid argument.

It is claimed that Paul was in Jerusalem in Galatians and Romans.

The Jews of Jerusalem had a problem with Paul. Acts 21.

27 ... Some Jews from the province of Asia saw Paul at the temple. They stirred up the whole crowd and seized him, 28 shouting, “Fellow Israelites, help us! This is the man who teaches everyone everywhere against our people and our law and this place. And besides, he has brought Greeks into the temple and defiled this holy place.” ... 30 The whole city was aroused, and the people came running from all directions. Seizing Paul, they dragged him from the temple, and immediately the gates were shut. 31 While they were trying to kill him, news reached the commander of the Roman troops that the whole city of Jerusalem was in an uproar. 32 He at once took some officers and soldiers and ran down to the crowd. When the rioters saw the commander and his soldiers, they stopped beating Paul.

 

[dejudge]

That's right. The people in Jerusalem told him to **** off with his lies. That was the point of what I wrote, but you left out.

Everyone can see this dishonesty of yours.

The Roman Soldiers who arrested and crucified Jesus were not in Paul's audience. Why would they be?

Please, please, please, stop your stupid argument.

You have no evidence whatsoever to support your argument that the supposed Roman Soldiers who arrested and crucified Jesus were not in his audience if he did exist and was preaching in Jerusalem.

 

[Belz...]

One of us is certainly misunderstanding, I can't say whether deliberately or not since my mind reading fu is weak but you seem to have no problem with imputing intentions to others.

You ADMITTED to inventing half of the equation, tsig. Don't wiggle out of it now.

As to the second half, you are yet to quote anyone saying that, so you will surely understand that everyone here can tell that you actually made that up as well.

If you're going to deny that the crucifixion has been used as evidence of an HJ I don't see how quoting posts you have already read will help.

In other words you can't find a post that makes this claim. You are now engaging in your own mind-reading in pretending that I would not believe my own eyes if you did.

 

[Belz...]

Your argument is stupid.

And once again, repeating something is not clever. It's not clever when you lift it from someone else, and just parrot it in an attempt to avoid actual conversation, and it's not clever when you post it again and again.

 

[DC]

Please, please, please, stop your stupid argument.

You have no evidence whatsoever to support your argument that the supposed Roman Soldiers who arrested and crucified Jesus were not in his audience if he did exist and was preaching in Jerusalem.

you are not very good at making your case for a MJ.

 

[Craig B]

Please, please, please, stop your stupid argument.

You have no evidence whatsoever to support your argument that the supposed Roman Soldiers who arrested and crucified Jesus were not in his audience if he did exist and was preaching in Jerusalem.

So what? These guys were ordered to nail up a condemned criminal, and that's what they did. After that, they probably thought little more about the matter.

 

[dejudge]

So what? These guys were ordered to nail up a condemned criminal, and that's what they did. After that, they probably thought little more about the matter.

You make stuff up. You have no data to support your probability.

 

[Craig B]

You make stuff up. You have no data to support your probability.

Thigs are even worse for you. You have no data to support your improbability.

 

[maximara]

Y=That's a problem I have with the stripped-down-to-bare-essentials HJ. Once you strip away the jive, what's left is ahistorical, to put it kindly.
Even those core teachings of Stone's. I'd love to know their point of origin. The problem with the core teachings is that depending on how you choose them, it seems to me you come up a different Jesus every time.

maximara, do you have a link for that particular lecture?

Yep, in fact I have posted it before : Did Jesus Even Exist? (Carrier's Missouri State University lecture). If you want to go right to the beginning of the material regarding both the Gospels and Acts it is 3:55 in part 2 and goes on for nearly all the remainder of the lecture.

 

[dejudge]

Thigs are even worse for you. You have no data to support your improbability.

What?? You made claims for which you presented no data.

The Gospels are forgeries and not eyewitness accounts.

You have no evidence to show what probably happened or what "these guys" thought.

These guys were ordered to nail up a condemned criminal, and that's what they did. After that, they probably thought little more about the matter.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Do you think that if Jesus was really a Crucified Criminal, caught red-handed, that he would be worshiped as a God by those who caught him in the act and Crucified him?

Are you suggesting that the Roman soldiers and bureaucrats actually involved in the arrest, sentencing and execution of Jesus must have worshipped him as a god for an historical Jesus to have existed? Can you explain how that works?

I'll bet none of those involved in prosecuting Joseph Smith for fraud in New York converted to Mormonism. So what is your point?