Barack Obama’s Communist connections.

Is MagZ a debunker?

Kind of weird for someone like that to see commies everywhere...
 
Praktik said:
Is MagZ a debunker?

Kind of weird for someone like that to see commies everywhere...
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Not terribly weird. As recently as the Reagan administration the Republican Party's number-one issue was the Red Menace. MagZ is kind of a holdover from those heady days when you could ruin someone just by calling them pink. It was a simpler time.
 
Tricky said:
MagZ is kind of a holdover from those heady days when you could ruin someone just by calling them pink. It was a simpler time.
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You might not be able to teach an old dog new tricks, but somehow they still end up on internet forum boards.
 
In a related item, NPR interviewed Frank Cunningham, a neoconservative broadcaster in Ohio, who got up in front of a Republican crowd a few days ago to "warm up the crowd" for a McCain. He says that he dislikes McCain in the first place, he only did the rabble rowsing at the insistence of Ohio's senator, and that he only used Obama's middle name "Hussein" twice in his speech in the same way as he would have said "Franklin Delano Roosevelt" or "John Sidney McCain". When asked why he amplified that to "Barack Mohammed Hussein Obama" some time back, he said he'd heard that was his real name, and that is was not meant as a slur. After McCain repudiated his warmer-upper in his own speech, Cunningham says he'll vote for Hilliary.
 
daredelvis said:
DR
You keep bringing up Liberation TheologyWP. Wiki describes it as.

Is that it? From your repeated citing of this link I thought it was where all of the party members ended up after the wall came down.

Daredelvis
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I first ran into it in studying Latin American political movements, 1950s to 1990s, and I'll describe it a bit differently. While initially it was a fusion of revolutionary, anti fascist and anti establishment sentiment and grass roots Catholicism, its pattern of fusing grass roots empowerment in the religious arena with activism in the political arena is applicable as a method well beyond the Catholic Church. That the Pope generally endorsed it (support later retracted, IIRC by John Paul II) at the time of Vatican II, the empowerment appeal is redolent of the early Church, first two centuries, activism as a counter culture vis a vis the Roman Empire.

What the UCC is doing is a form of that self empowerment, in spite of the establishment, and hardly needs a Catholic label to fuse that theme with political activism.

One of the recent successes, and failures, of the originally Catholic Liberation Theology approach was a fellow named Aristide, in Haiti.

DR
 
Upchurch said:
Along with "Communist Party", you should be asking "what century is this?"
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Looks like "mid-twentieth"
We'll teach you how to spot 'em in the cities or the sticks
For even Jasper Junction is just full of Bolsheviks
The CIA's subversive and so's the FCC
There's no one left but thee and we, and we're not sure of thee

Oh, we're the John Birch Society, the John Birch Society
Here to save our country from a communistic plot
Join the John Birch Society holding off the Reds
We'll use our hand and hearts and if we must we'll use our heads

Do you want Justice Warren for your Commissar?
Do you want Mrs. Krushchev in there with the DAR?
You cannot trust your neighbor or even next of kin
If mommie is a commie then you gotta turn her in
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dudalb said:
Yes, but Joe Stallin was a close second to Adolf in the massive killing deparment.
And Stalin was not above a little Genocide himself:Read about the Ukranian famine.
You might argue..and I would agree..that Hitler was the greater menace of the two and a alliance with Staling was justified on the grounds of necessity,but let's not have any illusions that Commusnism was often as brutal as Nazism at it's worst.
And that is not just confined to Stalin's Soviet Union. Mao and Pol Pot come to mind as being no slouches in the mass murder department.
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Not to absolve Hitler of anything...but Joe Stalin was not a close second. He is competeing with Mao for the Olympic title.
 
abenja1 said:
Well if we are playing guilt by association, I can then say Ron Paul is a racist because he once hung out (and took a photo) with the creator of the Stormfront webpage.
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Let's not forget the Rumsfeld was in cohoots with Saddam...we've got the pictures to prove it. Oh, yeah, and Churchill hung out with Stalin on several occasions (we already understand the conclusions about FDR).
 
The Painter said:
Really? How old do you think Obama'a mother is?
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Obama's mother is dead years old.

She heroically followed party orders and purposfully died of breast cancer (I think) back in 1995...so as to not be an issue when her son...a sleeper cell of one...was planted as the Communist candidate for president.
 
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I'm a bit peeved at MaGz. He raised my hopes that the US might be voting in at least a Socialist - only to be cruelly dashed on the rocks of corporate reality. :(

Sigh!
 
What I think is fun...is that it is apparently impossible to belive that McCain might have had a romantic relationship with a Lobbyist before his committee (he, of family values and a second marraige), and that such inuendo by the NYT's is an outrage. However, the right has no problem spreading this kind of drek where the documnentation makes the NYT's campaign story look as solid as the rock of Gibralter.
 
abenja1 said:
Well if we are playing guilt by association, I can then say Ron Paul is a racist because he once hung out (and took a photo) with the creator of the Stormfront webpage.
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MaGZ would consider that a huge point in Paul's favor.
 
headscratcher4 said:
Not to absolve Hitler of anything...but Joe Stalin was not a close second. He is competeing with Mao for the Olympic title.
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It's pretty much a open debate as to who the worst Mass Murderer of the 20th Century was between the Big Three...but I give the edge to Hitler,though not by much.
 
MaGZ is a constant defender of Nazi Germany and considers Adolf and Company to be heros.
Someone should tell him about the Nazi-Soviet Pact of 1939.
Does that mean the Hitler was a fellow traveler? By MaGZ's logic it does.....
 
dudalb said:
It's pretty much a open debate as to who the worst Mass Murderer of the 20th Century was between the Big Three...but I give the edge to Hitler,though not by much.
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Don't really want to argue the point...as Hitler and his regime were about as dispicable as they come...but you can probably lay the deaths of around 35 million directly at the feet of Stalin and both his knowing and unwitting policies...not to mention the imprisonment/enslavement of vast numbers of the USSR's population. With Mao, you can start with about 60 million, and it is likely higher.

Now, granted, there is something specially evil about Nazi death camps (though some of the gulag camps would likely give them a run for their money), but policies that cause death through intentional starvation, forced labor, forced relocation, etc. all count in the list of hitory's horrors. And, I fear, that Hitler would be envious of Stalin's or Mao's ultimate body count
 
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