Banned from Loose Change....again.

[PB&J]

He was given a 1 week suspension recently after violating the personal attacks rule multiple times...of course, he got multiple warnings.

You get any warnings, Arbor? Oh wait, you're a JREFer...in that case it's ban first, ask question....no...just ban

Yeah, he got a week ban for calling me a traitorous little (female dog) after I had him pinned on an issue. It takes a big person to admit when they're wrong, and he obviously couldn't cope so he lashed out... calling me a traitor to America etc etc... "savor this, because it's the only time you'll ever be right" yadda yadda

I read that and just laughed all night.... "twoof, the ultimate stress reliever"

 

[Thunder]

eh, the truth movemant is dead anyways. its officialy entered the rhealm of JFK, Moon Landings, and Area 51.

 

[Sabrina]

If you know it's ********, don't flood the tip lines with it. That's not cool. These peoples have other things to do than waste their time on internet crackpots.

Incorrect. I passed along a tip on the DHS website tip area regarding an internet forum poster who had made reasonably direct threats against the President (he didn't name names, such as "let's kill Bush", but he did threaten the Presidency). I was called the next day (I happen to work in the US Intelligence Community, so I am aware that response would be a rarity) and told by the person who called me that they were grateful I had passed along the tip and they had forwarded it to the Secret Service.

Whether the person in question is merely BSing or not is irrelevant; that would come out in investigation. But the people monitoring this kind of thing want anything and everything they can get so they can be SURE they will get the important stuff when it comes time for it. They would rather you report anything you see and let them judge if it's for real or not instead of a layperson (read: the person who spotted the item in question) making their own judgment call on it.

 

[Myriad]

Whether the person in question is merely BSing or not is irrelevant; that would come out in investigation. But the people monitoring this kind of thing want anything and everything they can get so they can be SURE they will get the important stuff when it comes time for it. They would rather you report anything you see and let them judge if it's for real or not instead of a layperson (read: the person who spotted the item in question) making their own judgment call on it.

Exactly. I tipped the FBI when someone claimed to be an Al Qaeda member in a thread here. When I submitted my tip, I wrote, "I'm pretty sure that this is just some kid making up lies on the Internet, but I'm also pretty sure that it should be you, not me, making that determination."

ETA: I'm just as glad I didn't get a response from the FBI, thanking me for the info.

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[Calcas]

Exactly. I tipped the FBI when someone claimed to be an Al Qaeda member in a thread here. When I submitted my tip, I wrote, "I'm pretty sure that this is just some kid making up lies on the Internet, but I'm also pretty sure that it should be you, not me, making that determination."

ETA: I'm just as glad I didn't get a response from the FBI, thanking me for the info.

Respectfully,
Myriad

I also have one experience with this.

Two years ago Bush was coming to our town to stump for a local Congressman. It was announced about a week before the visit, but of course without many details.

Two days before, our local paper printed a "letter to the editor" from someone who, basically, said somebody needs to "get rid of this guy for good." I couldn't believe the paper would print it but I called our local FBI office and asked the agent on duty if he had read the paper this morning. I stayed on the phone while he got the paper.

He came back and was stunned. He interpreted it as a direct threat the same as me. He thanked me for bringing it to his attention and I thought that was it.

He called me back a week later as a courtesy and said the author of the letter was interviewed at length and although not dubbed as someone particularly dangerous, was ordered to stay away from Bush during his visit and put under surveilence during the visit just to make sure.

He also said the owner and editor of the paper (which has a normally fairly liberal bias) were contacted and read the riot act for allowing a letter like that to get printed.

So, if you see see or read something that raises your eyebrows, report it. Let the authorities decide what's credible and what isn't. Better safe than sorry because there are just too many crazies out there.

 

[Sabrina]

Quite frankly I wouldn't be in the least surprised to find out that there's a group of people within the intel community responsible for monitoring forums such as this for questionable statements. And if there isn't, I think there should be. 99.8% of the time, it's likely that the person in question is just blowing smoke out of their [rule10], but it's that other .2% that concerns me and makes me hope that someone IS monitoring websites like the LCF and even here (although I'd pity them deeply if they had to monitor the MSNBC boards; those ones are CRAZY).

I'm not one of those people who shrieks and moans at the thought that someone might be monitoring my public communications, because as far as I'm concerned, I have nothing to hide (besides, they know all about my little foibles anyway or I wouldn't have the clearance I have). I don't see it as a privacy violation, because it's public anyways. I WOULD have a problem with monitoring my email and other private traffic to some extent, however. Regardless, as Calcas and Myriad have said; if you see something that feels off to you, PLEASE report it. Let the experts (so to speak) decide if it's BS or not.

 

[Childlike Empress]

@TAM and VespaGuy: You obviously didn't pay attention to parky76's machinations at LCF (who can blame you).

Today, the user "22205" made a post that summarizes the situation quite well. Judge for yourself.

If you don't want to waste your time with reading it all, just click on the two links at the very end of his post and then read parky76's post #42 on this thread again:

eh, the truth movemant is dead anyways. its officialy entered the rhealm of JFK, Moon Landings, and Area 51.

I feel like heading over to 4chan and copypasta one of their retarded "epic fail" pics for parky76, but hey, i can barely resist.

arbor posted this thread:
http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/124182/1/

in which he, WITHOUT substantiation (or links), slandered and negatively characterized Marion Cotillard. when he was challenged to find the original source of information so that her ALLEGED statements could be confirmed, he FAILED. he objected to DIVERSIONS caused by others in that thread, yet by focusing on said diversions he in the end, AVOIDED doing any research to justify his accusations. he had days to find the original french documentary with cotillard's alleged statements, or concede that he was incorrect or unustified, but he chose instead to continue spewing his hatred. meanwhile he posted other threads consisting of either more unsubstantiated opinion and innuendo disguised as facts, or more hatred and borderline racist posts.

the last straw (in the mods' view presumably) came when arbor - who still had NOT proven that Ms.Cotillard had in fact made the statements he used to indict her - once again spoke in an ugly and derrogatory manner about her: source

And we have the right to call her views stupid, uneducated, and pathetic.

Arbor this is a 9/11 truth forum, with views like yours why are you even here? You openly support water boarding, have claimed the puppy video could be fake and have opportunistically attacked a celebrity for voicing their concerns about the official 9/11 myth. This is along with other seemingly purposeful stunts of devil's advocacy.

After consideration by admin staff over a long period of time, your account is now banned.

[...SNIP...]

***
back to arbor/parky76:

It was a pretty long run, but I must say, Ive begun to be really bored with their pathetic posts. Like a broken record.

you spent more time here than anyone i have ever seen: prior to your banning you had the most posts here (450). so you had plenty of leeway and were allowed plenty of freedom to express your (biased) views. perhaps your (alleged but untrue) boredom was a result of your own excesses here, not anyone's "broken record-ness".

yeah, they do, but it is now the bottom of the barrel of 9-11 deniars.
mostly psychos, schizophrenics, paranoid delusionals...you know...the fun people!!!

naa, just too much time to kill between seeing my girlfriend, work, and other things.

liar, hypocrite. you are in total denial dude, i think even your fellow jrefers could see it. most of them dont like LCF and DONT spend much time here. it is you who has 450 posts here in less than 100 days (equals 40+ posts a day). i guess you work your job part-time and your girlfriend and you must be in a long-distance relationship, huh? for people you speak so lowly of, you sure did like spending alot of time around "us".

But, do not be sad, LC members. I shall return, at the time of my choosing.

im surprised you havent registered a sock already. you must be in withdrawl by now, so i imagine somewhere in the next 48 hours (if not already) you will be back under a new name. unfortunately for you however, the bias and ignorance of your point of view is so transparent that unless you censure yourself, we will all see you coming from a mile away.




WOW! it turns out we shouldnt even be calling you "arbor", since you joined LCF2 as "Calvin" a half year earlier than "arbor":
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5767&view=findpost&p=12771869
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5767&view=findpost&p=12773670

pretty sneaky sis!

(i wouldn't have posted this if parky76 hadn't just opened another defamatory thread)

 

[Architect]

http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/single/?p=48302&t=105107

http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/single/?p=48302&t=105107

http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/single/?p=48302&t=105107

My, what an eloquent and well-developed line of argument.

 

[Thunder]

Hee hee!!!!!!!

 

[jhunter1163]

I'm not one of those people who shrieks and moans at the thought that someone might be monitoring my public communications, because as far as I'm concerned, I have nothing to hide (besides, they know all about my little foibles anyway or I wouldn't have the clearance I have). I don't see it as a privacy violation, because it's public anyways. I WOULD have a problem with monitoring my email and other private traffic to some extent, however. Regardless, as Calcas and Myriad have said; if you see something that feels off to you, PLEASE report it. Let the experts (so to speak) decide if it's BS or not.

I used to have foibles all the time, but then I got married. Mrs. Jhunter1163, bless her heart, doesn't let me have those anymore.

 

[Thunder]

dude, the FBI and CIA can read every one of my posts, as far as i am concerned. i just hope they get a good laugh.

=)

 

[AZCat]

Today, the user "22205" made a post that summarizes the situation quite well. Judge for yourself.

Looks like someone isn't very good at math. 450 posts in less than 100 days is 40+ posts a day?

 

[Thunder]

lets see. 450 posts..in 100 days. thats 450 divided by 100. on earth..that would equal 4.5

in trutherland...that would equal....45.

=)

on a side not, I see the Loose Toothers are still getting a real kick out of me..and my avatar.

God, save me from the comedy!!!!

 

[GreNME]

Quite frankly I wouldn't be in the least surprised to find out that there's a group of people within the intel community responsible for monitoring forums such as this for questionable statements. And if there isn't, I think there should be.

What kind of reasoning is behind this statement? It sounds incredibly paranoid and not feasible as far as assertions go, but I'm having a difficult time wrapping my head around the justification for the notion.

 

[Thunder]

I too think the FBI should monitor loony sites. We cant expect Killtown or Roxdog to report a threat to the Secret Service, now can we?

 

[GreNME]

I don't see how wasting the limited resources of our intelligence agencies is a worthwhile endeavor (though I can see how it could lead to missing letigimate issues). It also happens to be my number one reason for being against the overzealous "monitoring" programs of the current administration, including the illegal wiretaps (but I digress).

Again, the statement came across to me as either incredibly paranoid or composed of a type of sarcasm I didn't immediately recognize.

 

[Myriad]

Reading message boards post by post would be a great waste of time, all right. If only there were some kind of magical machine, that could rapidly sift through large amounts of text accessible via the Internet and search for suspicious patterns of words and phrases. If such a device existed -- it would have to be very flexibly "programmable" so let's call it a "programmomat" --then intelligence agencies could monitor message boards without wasting a lot of man-hours in doing so. Too bad the programmomat has not yet been invented.

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[Architect]

No, no, no. It's easy to ensure that the intellegence community read this board.



BOMB. WASHINGTON. AHMED. KILL. AMERICA. PLOT. BUSH.





There, that should flag up on the programmomat no problem.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Quite frankly I wouldn't be in the least surprised to find out that there's a group of people within the intel community responsible for monitoring forums such as this for questionable statements.

Says the member of the intel community who monitors this forum and sees the questionable statements made on it. Now that you've said that, I think the rest of us would be even less surprised .

Dave

 

[Sabrina]

Says the member of the intel community who monitors this forum and sees the questionable statements made on it. Now that you've said that, I think the rest of us would be even less surprised .

Dave

Ooops, I've been caught. Have to tell my handler my cover is blown.

@ Gren: I wasn't saying that there would be people reading every single post on every single forum throughout the internet (I'd pity the poor person who got stuck with 4chan or /b/, for example) but that instead there was some sort of computer program, like Myriad mentioned, that scans the forums for words and phrases that raise red flags; those posts are then reviewed by actual people and dismissed or followed up on. And for you to say it's a waste of time is, quite frankly to me, very questionable in this day and age of information technology and transfer across the internet.

I'm not saying I KNOW that there is a section of the IC devoted to that, I'm merely saying I find it likely, and that if there isn't one, there should be, just to monitor the public areas. Over 80% of intelligence is considered "open-source"; i.e. unclassified. The idea that an information source such as a public forum WOULDN'T be monitored is, to me, ludicrous. I don't KNOW that its the case, but I think it's likely. Does that clear it up for you?