Bad ideas in war

[Andy_Ross]

Hard to tell, then. LOTS of ships used triple turrets. And I don't think any of us here are Drach, much less naval historians

Yes, not easy unless you know what the interiors of the turrets look like for different ships.

The main clue is the size of the shell next to the Tiger.

 

[SpuriusMaximus]

Yamato?

But as I was saying, I'm not a naval historian. I mean, even as an amateur historian, my interest starts to taper down when they started ruining a jolly good war by bringing a gun to a knife fight. I just find myself occasionally fascinated by modern idiocies. But recognise the INTERIOR of a turret? Good elder gods, I'd have an easier time recognising Darth Revan's lightsaber crystals

 

[Dave Rogers]

Nope not RN

For some reason I think it looks like a Littorio.

Dave

 

[Andy_Ross]

Yamato?

But as I was saying, I'm not a naval historian. I mean, even as an amateur historian, my interest starts to taper down when they started ruining a jolly good war by bringing a gun to a knife fight. I just find myself occasionally fascinated by modern idiocies. But recognise the INTERIOR of a turret? Good elder gods, I'd have an easier time recognising Darth Revan's lightsaber crystals

Yes Yamato

 

[Andy_Ross]

For some reason I think it looks like a Littorio.

Dave

As Hansmustermann says, without a detailed knowledge of turret interiors it's hard to say.
I only guessed because of the size of the shell (and I know where the picture came from

 

[Andy_Ross]

I would say the lack of a specialist German torpedo bomber comes down to their lack of a 'proper' fleet and no real development of maritime strategy apart from commerce raiding. They didn't envisage any large scale fleet actions.
Also right at the start of the war none of the navies realised the importance of carrier strikes.
Japan and the USA had a couple of extra years to develop their carrier aircraft and were a generation ahead of the other belligerents. Not that anyone but the British had any carriers.

 

[jimbob]

I'm not sure, but the scrapping of the Type 83 destroyer has potential to be a bad idea. I guess that the common combat vessel might be really effective, but equally, it's likely to under deliver (because that's what defence programmes tend to do)

 

[Andy_Ross]

The latest gossip is a life extension for the type 45s and a new class of ships based on some type 83 design features.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Extra points if you know which ship the turret is from.

The barrels are somewhat distinctive. Currently practicing for a dirt nap so my sources are not available.

 

[jimbob]

I've got one.

Probably a bad idea to try putting a Gatling gun with the recoil of about ten M2 Brownings as the weapon of a technical, especially if you are using an off-centre mount.

Ahahahaha ahahaha they put a weapons designed for rotary wing on a truck and didn’t expect this.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2076315928992608755

Bonus points for grabbing the barrel after it's stopped firing.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Yes, As discussed in the Ukraine thread.
Probably off centre to balance the ammo feed.
They were only ever meant to be used in the chin turrets of Hind Gunships, hence the crude shoulder stocks welded to it.

I trained on the M134 Minigun when started to be fitted to RN ships after the Falklands.
They are 'only' 7.62 but look at the mount. Traverse and elevation locks and also adjustable stops for traverse to limit the angles.
There's considerable torque when they spin up that a novice is never ready for.

 

[jimbob]

Yes, As discussed in the Ukraine thread.
Probably off centre to balance the ammo feed.
They were only ever meant to be used in the chin turrets of Hind Gunships, hence the crude shoulder stocks welded to it.

I trained on the M134 Minigun when started to be fitted to RN ships after the Falklands.
They are 'only' 7.62 but look at the mount. Traverse and elevation locks and also adjustable stops for traverse to limit the angles.
There's considerable torque when they spin up that a novice is never ready for.

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By my very simple sums, those have a bit more than 20% of the recoil of the YakB-12.7.

 

[Andy_Ross]

There's one exception though.

 

[Andy_Ross]

By my very simple sums, those have a bit more than 20% of the recoil of the YakB-12.7.

It's not just the recoil though, it's the barrel rotation, they impart considerably lateral torque to the gun which can catch you out, Put the whole thing on a pintle and see the results.

 

[jimbob]

If various people on social media are correct, that M134 probably "only" has about 0.2 tonnes thrust. I think if it was real, he'd be falling over.

 

[jimbob]

It's not just the recoil though, it's the barrel rotation, it imparts considerably lateral torque to the gun, out it in a pintle and see the results.

Exactly. Say 40kg of barrels spinning at 1000 rpm.

 

[Andy_Ross]

If various people on social media are correct, that M134 probably "only" has about 0.2 tonnes thrust. I think if it was real, he'd be falling over.

But that's Jesse 'the Body' Ventura! He was a real Navy Seal.

Yes, it's a real Minigun but just firing blanks.
The real question is where is it getting it's electrical power for the motor? 24 volts DC about a kilowatt and a half

 

[Andy_Ross]

By coincidence, just posted.

Battleship triple turret

 

[dellarte]

versus



The Art Of The Deal ghost-written with much regret versus The Art Of War attributed to Sun Tzu (et al) and studied by military academia



Trump denies US running out of munitions, threatens Iran’s Kharg Island in string of social media posts

"US President Donald Trump denies reports that the US is running out of munitions in its fight against Iran."
~ Times Of Israel (27 July 2026)

versus

“Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.”

“There is no instance of a nation benefitting from prolonged warfare.”

“The greatest victory is that which requires no battle.”

~ Attributed to Sun Tzu (et al)

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

There's one exception though.

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Not something a slack-jawed faggot would be toting.