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Bad Christians

kedo1981

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Bad Christians

Lets see; BTK killer; Christian:

Wis. Killer Terry Ratzman; Christian:
(Ratzmann, a buttoned-down churchgoer known for sharing his homegrown vegetables with his neighbors, walked into the room and fired 22 rounds from a 9mm handgun. He even dropped a magazine and reloaded another)
 
kedo1981 said:
Bad Christians

Lets see; BTK killer; Christian:

Wis. Killer Terry Ratzman; Christian:
(Ratzmann, a buttoned-down churchgoer known for sharing his homegrown vegetables with his neighbors, walked into the room and fired 22 rounds from a 9mm handgun. He even dropped a magazine and reloaded another)
Statistically speaking isn't it a given that there are more Christians who commit heinous crime because there are more Christians?
 
Bad Christians! If I've told you once, I've told you a thousand times! Wipe your feet on the mat before you come inside.

Try to remember, or your god will send you to roast in hell for all eternity. And that will be better than what I'll do to you, if you track mud on my carpet one more time, young man.
 
The marching Army O Jesus that was heading down Vermont Ave yesterday with signs and shouting into bullhorns about how if we don't believe in Jesus, we'll go to hell, ignoring the homeless folk around them who were rooting in the trash cans and dumpsters.

I'd call them bad Christians from the WWJD standpoint.
 
They still haven't come up with a motive. From the Journal Sentinel:

A Feb. 26 Living Church of God service may have played a role in the shooting, authorities said.

Ratzmann attended the church service, also at the Sheraton, and left angry.

"He was upset over something relative to the church, whether it was a sermon or some aspect of the church, something upset him and he walked out during that service two weeks ago," Waukesha County District Attorney Paul Bucher said.

Authorities also are looking into his employment as a contributing factor.

Ratzmann had lost or was about to lose his job at GE Healthcare, Bucher said. Ratzmann worked for Adecco, a staffing services company on contract with GE.

"It was certainly something on his mind based on information provided," Bucher said, but didn't elaborate.
 
kedo1981 said:
Bad Christians

Lets see; BTK killer; Christian:

Wis. Killer Terry Ratzman; Christian:
(Ratzmann, a buttoned-down churchgoer known for sharing his homegrown vegetables with his neighbors, walked into the room and fired 22 rounds from a 9mm handgun. He even dropped a magazine and reloaded another)
Anecdotes. They don't mean anything. I am sure there have been crimes committed by followers of < name your favorite religion > all within the last week.

Look, I'm no fan of Christianity - or any religion, for that matter. That said, I also don't approve of religion bashing where it is not relevant to the crime de jure.

If Ratzman's crimes were indeed inspired by his religion, then we have something to talk about. If not, as early evidence indicates, then bashing Christianity over this incident is gratuitous and unworthy of skepticism.
 
Re: Re: Bad Christians

SezMe said:
Anecdotes. They don't mean anything. I am sure there have been crimes committed by followers of < name your favorite religion > all within the last week.

You are right. Gross overgeneralizations also have a tendency to backfire. I mean, how often fundies unfairly lump all atheists with the crimes of "communist" regimes? If fundie literature and web sites are anything to go by, quite often.

Still, I would have like to have been a fly on the wall during that 2-26 meeting and find out what set Ratzmann off.
 
I think the point of it is that it unveils the reality of religion - for the most part it has no effect on the politically-correct, cliched "Moral Values" that are propped up at every instance to support religion as a positive societal force.

Religious or not, people are primates are animals and, by these facts, prone to instinctual, emotional, irrational behavior under a variety of circumstances (stress, disorder, disease, and so on).

See, religion is a tradition. It is an indoctrinal passage within family and soceity. There is little to be done to foster more knowledgable, scientific, realistic views under these self-perpetuating circumstances. That is, except by example. The more widespread the information concerning how religion either plays a part in or actually plays no part in criminal activities of the religiously professed the less a force it becomes.

Look at the stigmatism being created within the Muslim religions caused by the rampant terrorism (in its name), gender inequality, among others. They are being forced to reconsider their religion, values, traditions, political structures in the face of a possible world-wide retaliatory action. At some point, if something horrific enough occurs, there will be 1/2 to 1 million multinational troops redecorating the MiddleEast. There are already nearly 200,000 troops there now (mostly American soldiers).

But the other enlightening embodiment is that it puts one more nail in the coffin of the "atheists/skeptics are second class citizens", "atheists/skeptics are immoral", and the other profanities and degradations poured upon us. The story won't hold up for long that every religious person that commits a crime is real an atheist underneath. How does that work with clergy?
 
Sorry my wife made me get of the "puter" before I completed my "thought".
Simply, this is more proof that religious “values” are no indicator or insurance of decent behavior.

The anti atheist,liberal,leftwing “Wheel” that’s squeaking in this country is once again wrong.
 
kedo1981 said:


The anti atheist,liberal,leftwing

???:jaw: Would that mean that the concervative right wing is pro -atheist?

We are speaking about the US on Earth are we not?
 
You know, if they would just post the Ten Commandments in churches, things like this would never happen...
 
me bad

anti atheist,anti liberal,anti leftwing
meaning a point of view that seeks to demonize the above mentioned
 
kedo1981 said:
me bad

anti atheist,anti liberal,anti leftwing
meaning a point of view that seeks to demonize the above mentioned
How about milk toast agnostic libertarian who leans to the right?

BTW, it's my problem but your avatar is disturbing, I'm not sure why. Can you give some background on it? PM me if you don't want to derail. Or ignore me, that is fine also. :)
 
Person who ends kidnapping and brings to justice murder says god led the perp to her doorstep.

'God Brought Him to My Door'

"You're here in my apartment for some reason," she told him, saying he might be destined to be caught and to spread the word of God to fellow prisoners. She told him his escape from authorities had been a "miracle."
Riiiiiight, it was god's will that he kill the judge and 3 others so that he could spread the word of God. The dude really does work in very mysterious ways.
 
kedo1981 said:
me bad

anti atheist,anti liberal,anti leftwing
meaning a point of view that seeks to demonize the above mentioned

That is OK my friend I pretty much though that is what you meant we all make mistakes. I make more then most.
 
Disturbing!
Sounds like a challange to me


(daz 3d gorilla, posed and textured by me in Poser5)
 
We know a little bit more about what may have set Ratzman off:

1.) He was about to get fired from his job with GE.

2.) The church he belong to is one of the doomsday splinter churches that have VERY strict guidelines for personal behavior. For instance You can only court and marry members of the church (members mentioned he was frustrated because he couldn't find a women who was acceptable), you could not work on the "sabbath" at all (try tellling prospective employers that), and any personal problems in your life are a result of you not having prayed, tithed, and believed enough. That last eddict was the subject of the sermon that made Ratzman walk out of the 2/26 service.

3.) It appears that he had some serious emotional problems... no surprise.

I'll let you guys make of that what you will.
 

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