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Bachmann Claims a GIANT Told Her ACA Makes Doctors Call the IRS Before Treating?

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What?

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_11/bachmanns_giant_lie033577.php#
“One man stood up, he was over 7-feet tall. He was a physician in the community. And he said, ‘I had a little lady in my office and because of Obamacare, I had to call the IRS and I had to get a number to put on a form before I could see her.’”

First, to a giant, all ladies look little. Second, the ACA does not actually do any of this. Maybe he was so big he couldn't read the small print? Third, maybe she should put this doctor in touch with the woman whose daughter was made instantly retarded by the HPV vaccine?
 
Okay, first of all, the only number you would get from the IRS that you need to process patients is a tax ID number, which all providers (and businesses in general) would have on them. The idea that a provider would not already know his tax ID number doesn't make sense, you need this number for like 75% of the forms you fill out for any purpose as a health care provider.

Second of all, having to provide a tax ID number to an insurance before a patient can be seen has been the process for years. It's a way to ensure that the provider participates with the patient's network. Of course, if you are already familiar with the patient's insurance, then you would already know if you are in network so would not need to check this. But you would also need to provide this on billed claims to get them processed.

Thirdly, the fact that Bachman is claiming that Obama is responsible requiring a phone call prior to scheduling a patient is about the stupidest thing I've ever heard. You have to make a phone call to the insurance before seeing a patient no matter what, this isn't new. This is how you; check the benefits, verify claims mailing addresses, get any referrals or authorizations in place, check for policy exclusions, etc. The idea that prior to Obama, any old patient could just walk in the door and be seen immediately with no paperwork required is laughable. In fact, on the provider side of things, private insurances almost always require tons more paperwork and clearance than Medicare and Medicaid policies do.

Of course, with major insurances, the provider may be enrolled with their website and be able to check benefits, request referrals, etc on line rather than on the phone. But still, you need to take the step to check these things. It would be incredibly irresponsible to just allow a patient to be seen without even verifying that their insurance is active and cleared for an appointment.
 
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What?

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_11/bachmanns_giant_lie033577.php#


First, to a giant, all ladies look little. Second, the ACA does not actually do any of this. Maybe he was so big he couldn't read the small print? Third, maybe she should put this doctor in touch with the woman whose daughter was made instantly retarded by the HPV vaccine?


I am baffled.

Is the claim that the woman forgot her Social Security number but a quick call to the IRS resulted in them give her her number over the phone1 or that she didn't have a SS number and a phone call resulted in her being assigned one2 or that the IRS is in charge of assigning/approving CPI diagnostic/procedure codes or that the IRS gives general approval codes for all expenses based on some patient/taxpayer attribute? All of those options sound somewhat farfetched. Is there some other interpretation that I am missing?


ETA: I missed the previous post. In any case Congresswoman Bachmann seems to be either missing or exaggerating certain parts of this anecdote.


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[1][2] The IRS does not assign SS numbers. That is done only by the Social Security Administration and is never done over the phone.
 
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Okay, first of all, the only number you would get from the IRS that you need to process patients is a tax ID number, which all providers (and businesses in general) would have on them. The idea that a provider would not already know his tax ID number doesn't make sense, you need this number for like 75% of the forms you fill out for any purpose as a health care provider.

Second of all, having to provide a tax ID number to an insurance before a patient can be seen has been the process for years. It's a way to ensure that the provider participates with the patient's network. Of course, if you are already familiar with the patient's insurance, then you would already know if you are in network so would not need to check this. But you would also need to provide this on billed claims to get them processed.

Thirdly, the fact that Bachman is claiming that Obama is responsible requiring a phone call prior to scheduling a patient is about the stupidest thing I've ever heard. You have to make a phone call to the insurance before seeing a patient no matter what, this isn't new. This is how you; check the benefits, verify claims mailing addresses, get any referrals or authorizations in place, check for policy exclusions, etc. The idea that prior to Obama, any old patient could just walk in the door and be seen immediately with no paperwork required is laughable.

Of course, with major insurances, the provider may be enrolled with their website and be able to check benefits, request referrals, etc on line rather than on the phone. But still, you need to take the step to check these things. It would be incredibly irresponsible to just allow a patient to be seen without even verifying that their insurance is active and cleared for an appointment.

Who the hell do you think you are, arguing with a giant? Haven't you said on this very forum you're under five feet tall?
 
I am baffled.

Is the claim that the woman forgot her SS number but a quick call to the IRS resulted in them give her her number over the phone or that she didn't have a SS number and a phone call resulted in her being assigned one or that the IRS is in charge of assigning/approving CPI diagnostic/procedure codes or that the IRS gives general approval codes for all expenses based on some patient/taxpayer attribute? All of those options sound somewhat farfetched. Is there some other interpretation that I am missing?

It could have been a giant misunderstanding.
 
If next a backwards talking dwarf gives her cryptic clues toward becoming president she'll have my vote.
 
You people are missing the most fascinating part of all of this.

Bachmann claimed that 1) a giant doctor stood up and spoke to her, and 2) that he told her he was forced to phone the IRS before treating a patient because of Obamacare.

And the part about a GIANT DOCTOR is the more believable part of her tale.

A GIANT DOCTOR!
 
You people are missing the most fascinating part of all of this.

Bachmann claimed that 1) a giant doctor stood up and spoke to her, and 2) that he told her he was forced to phone the IRS before treating a patient because of Obamacare.

And the part about a GIANT DOCTOR is the more believable part of her tale.

A GIANT DOCTOR!

And then he flung his giant scarf around his shoulders and swooped off in his blue police box, no doubt.
 

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