Avon... What's involved?

[I Ratant]

The afore mentioned...
http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/avon-products-c118733.html
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talks about the Leadership option.
This is apparently a money sink.

 

[icerat]

Yes, that's it exactly. Avon doesn't seem to have these organizations that leech off "Avon ladies." Avon doesn't certify these leech organizations like Amway does. While Avon might have meetings and such, it isn't a huge part of the experience.

You've already made your opinion clear on this, as has Joecool. I've now idea how you can consider something that most people don't do a "huge part of the experience" and "leeching".

Avon reps also *do* have regular meetings which they're encourage to attend.

Many Avon reps also use 3rd party companies like Ri training, which offer similar services to the Amway-specific training systems, except at a higher cost and have no quality control from Avon. Amway recently implemented an accreditation system after complaints about these third party companies. Funny - but predictable - how you're now using the fact they're trying to improve them as a basis for criticism.

 

[Joecool]

You've already made your opinion clear on this, as has Joecool. I've now idea how you can consider something that most people don't do a "huge part of the experience" and "leeching".

Avon reps also *do* have regular meetings which they're encourage to attend.

Many Avon reps also use 3rd party companies like Ri training, which offer similar services to the Amway-specific training systems, except at a higher cost and have no quality control from Avon. Amway recently implemented an accreditation system after complaints about these third party companies. Funny - but predictable - how you're now using the fact they're trying to improve them as a basis for criticism.

Meetings where thousands or tens of thousands are in attendance is not what I consider small. Even if it's a small part of the overall IBO population, it's big enough where it's a problem that needs policing.

WalMart has hundreds of thousands of employees, even if only 100 of them were ripping off customers, they would get fired. Walmart's response wouldn't be that 100 bad employees are s tiny part of their workforce.

Why Icerat uses this as a defense of bad IBO leaders is puzzling.

 

[xjx388]

You've already made your opinion clear on this, as has Joecool. I've now idea how you can consider something that most people don't do a "huge part of the experience" and "leeching".

I'm only saying that, as far as Avon is concerned, "motivational meetings" and "business support materials," don't seem to be a huge problem like they are in Amway.

Avon reps also *do* have regular meetings which they're encourage to attend.

Well sure they do. There's nothing inherently wrong with having "regular meetings." But when all your time and money is spent attending meetings and buying CD's and books . . . that's a problem.

What you've linked to here sounds more like a typical "business meeting" where sales reps are introduced to new products, updated on company policy, etc.

Many Avon reps also use 3rd party companies like Ri training, which offer similar services to the Amway-specific training systems, except at a higher cost and have no quality control from Avon. Amway recently implemented an accreditation system after complaints about these third party companies. Funny - but predictable - how you're now using the fact they're trying to improve them as a basis for criticism.

I don't know much about RI training, but from what I can Google up, they just look like a typical Tony Robbins/Motivational/Sales Training company. They aren't specific to Avon. Contrast that with Network 21 or WWDB who are specifically set up to scam off of "support" Amway IBOs.

The fact that Avon has nothing to do with accrediting 3rd party "systems" actually sounds like a good thing to me. Avon doesn't promote or have anything at all to do with Ri Training and Avon reps are free to use them or not with absolutely no input from Avon. You can't say the same with Amway. First of all, Amway talks about the available Business Support Materials in their promotional materials. Secondly, they "accredit" these organizations, which is in effect, a stamp of approval. Lastly, Amway Motivational Organizations are created by the top-level uplines and are, in fact, the source of most of their income. So if you are sponsored by someone in Amway, chances are that they are sponsored through one of these organizations and you will be pressured to attend "rallies" and "events" and buy CD's and books. Nothing even close to this exists in Avon.

 

[icerat]

I'm only saying that, as far as Avon is concerned, "motivational meetings" and "business support materials," don't seem to be a huge problem like they are in Amway.

They're not a "huge problem" in Amway either.

Well sure they do. There's nothing inherently wrong with having "regular meetings." But when all your time and money is spent attending meetings and buying CD's and books . . . that's a problem.

no argument there

What you've linked to here sounds more like a typical "business meeting" where sales reps are introduced to new products, updated on company policy, etc.

That link doesn't specify what happens.

I don't know much about RI training, but from what I can Google up, they just look like a typical Tony Robbins/Motivational/Sales Training company. They aren't specific to Avon. Contrast that with Network 21 or WWDB who are specifically set up to scam off of "support" Amway IBOs.

I'm sorry - are you suggesting that more specifically targeted training, at a cheaper price, makes something a scam?

The fact that Avon has nothing to do with accrediting 3rd party "systems" actually sounds like a good thing to me. Avon doesn't promote or have anything at all to do with Ri Training and Avon reps are free to use them or not with absolutely no input from Avon. You can't say the same with Amway. First of all, Amway talks about the available Business Support Materials in their promotional materials. Secondly, they "accredit" these organizations, which is in effect, a stamp of approval.

Hilarious. And predictable.

For years "critics" attack Amway for not exerting any control of these third party companies, and not warning people of their costs and how they operate.

Now they do so, and they're attacked for that as well.

Lastly, Amway Motivational Organizations are created by the top-level uplines and are, in fact, the source of most of their income.

Evidence?

Even Dexter Yager stated he makes more from Amway than from his support company, and he's generally acknowledge to have the most profitable one.

So if you are sponsored by someone in Amway, chances are that they are sponsored through one of these organizations and you will be pressured to attend "rallies" and "events" and buy CD's and books.

... and yet most people don't attend the seminars or buy the CDs - and most people who actually try the Amway business or products renew their Amway memberships - and continue not to buy them. Must be incredible pressure.

Nothing even close to this exists in Avon.

Oh right, so those links I supplied don't have Avon people encouraging Avon reps to go to seminars are anything.

 

[WildCat]

i used to work with a guy who drove his wife's mary kay car to work all the time. they're not that bright pink any more - it was a pearlescent off-white color.

A real man would rather walk to work.

 

[The Don]

A real man would rather walk to work.

A REAL man wouldn't want to work if his wife was pulling in the $$$$$'s

 

[Joecool]

Hilarious. And predictable.

For years "critics" attack Amway for not exerting any control of these third party companies, and not warning people of their costs and how they operate.

Now they do so, and they're attacked for that as well.

Funny how Icerats cites accreditation but he himself writes an article that it's a sad joke: http://www.thetruthaboutamway.com/amway-global-accreditation-transformation-or-a-sad-joke/

Accreditation just means Amway does some cursory oversight. They inform the tool companies if an Amway rep will be at a meeting. Translated that means to be politically correct for that meeting, or for the tool companies to edit out bad stuff on standing orders. It does nothing for the live audience.

Icerat wants to cite that this is not a big problem. Well to that I would say to disregard all the IBOs who do nothing. Now the tools are a BIG problem. IBOs who do nothing aren't the ones being scammed.

 

[Luzz]

How can anyone endorse Avon?
They recruit people and make them believe their working for Avon when in reality they are just buying their products. The salespeople don´t get anything in return (wages, health protection, paid holidays, etc). It is just a win win situation for Avon.

 

[joobie]

A real man would rather walk to work.

possibly. i think they paid for the gas though, and this is when gas prices were at their highest.

 

[Joecool]

How can anyone endorse Avon?
They recruit people and make them believe their working for Avon when in reality they are just buying their products. The salespeople don´t get anything in return (wages, health protection, paid holidays, etc). It is just a win win situation for Avon.

Bingo, and it is the same thing in Amway. What makes Amway worse is the leech tool companies that sell Amway IBOs useless tools.