Ave Maria Florida

[sackett]

Don’t be hard on Our Tommy. He did the right thing in the end.

“Since selling Domino's [Monaghan] has had more time to focus on the Legatus project. This is an association of Catholic Chief Executive Officers, which he was inspired to set up in 1987 after meeting with Pope John Paul II. Members of Legatus are invited to monthly meetings (along with their spouses) where they learn about their faith and about the insights of the Catholic Church on a range of social issues, including business ethics. Each meeting starts with prayer and opportunities for confession.”

Source: http://www.ad2000.com.au/articles/2000/feb2000p13_21.html

 

[luchog]

No kidding. Domino's tastes like cardboard with tomato sauce.

McDonald's burgers, boxed macaroni and cheese, Hostess Twinkies, Kool-Aid, Velveeta, etc.

There's no end to the bland, nasty crap that Americans will eat. The more bland and nasty, the better.

 

[Bjorn]

Tony, there are thousands of such communities there right now.

You mean for 55 and older, don't you? AFAIK the Fair Housing Act prohibits discrimination "based on race, color, national origin, religion, sex, familial status or handicap".

 

[CrossHair]

No kidding. Domino's tastes like cardboard with tomato sauce.

The major, huge, pizza chain here in Ottawa is a place called "pizza.pizza". You can't tun a corner anywhere around here without running into a "pizza.pizza" joint. Amazingly it is the most bland pizza I have ever tasted, and I have lived in many places across North America. However, one secret to Pizza sucess is Marketing and they are the best at that. They sponsor many of the local professional and amatuer teams and give away a free slice of pizza if the Ottawa Senators score 6 or more goals to those attending a home game (used to be 5 goals but they were giving away too much pizza). Also, bland taste is an advantage because most people will tire of pizza that has a particular taste.

 

[Elind]

I just saw an article that Domino's Piza magnate Tom Monaghan is creating (created?) a town/university in Florida called 'Ave Maria' in which the inhabitants must adhere to a strick Catholic life-style. How is this to be enforced I wonder? Anyone for the Florida Inquisition?
Seems as if another Billionaire is trying to buy their way to heaven.

Yeah, so much for US multicultiralism. All the Papists just want to have their own millionaire ghettos so they can get away from everyone else. Pretty damn pitiful, as are all those who want to live there.

 

[ceo_esq]

All the Papists just want to have their own millionaire ghettos so they can get away from everyone else.

You knew that the emboldened term is an offensive slur, right? I strongly recommend not using it here.

 

[Tony]

You knew that the emboldened term is an offensive slur, right?

Really? How do you pronounce it? I've never heard of that term.

I strongly recommend not using it here.

I don't see why not, we use "fundy" and "woo-woo" on a daily basis.

 

[TragicMonkey]

You knew that the emboldened term is an offensive slur, right? I strongly recommend not using it here.

I prefer the more old-fashioned "Popish". Has more of an air to it.

 

[Ladewig]

Will the town also have its own internet service provider?

McDonald's burgers, boxed macaroni and cheese, Hostess Twinkies, Kool-Aid, Velveeta, etc.

I'm told most American beer falls into that category

 

[ceo_esq]

Really? How do you pronounce it? I've never heard of that term.

Rhymes with "rapist", so far as I know. Yes, ha-ha. Here's the Wikipedia entry on it.

I don't see why not, we use "fundy" and "woo-woo" on a daily basis.

The second isn't a religious slur. The first arguably is, but I couldn't say that it is generally considered offensive in common speech. Still, probably best to avoid it, now that you mention it. At any rate, it's not too germane to the specific point. Anything that shows up here, notwithstanding the disclaimer about posters' individual opinions, has the potential to reflect on JREF, and the last thing we want is for posts to be populated with widely perceived slurs.

I prefer the more old-fashioned "Popish". Has more of an air to it.

So far as I know, that term has been in use for about the same period of time. It's also mentioned in the same Wikipedia entry, and is also probably something to avoid here.

 

[Tony]

An article on the subject.

http://www.bostonphoenix.com/boston/news_features/top/features/documents/04761831.asp

 

[Tony]

The second isn't a religious slur.

I don't see why not. It is no different than Popish and Papist.

The first arguably is, but I couldn't say that it is generally considered offensive in common speech.

Popish and Papist aren't offensive in common speech. I bet if I habitually and casually used the word Papist on a daily basis, 95% of people wouldn't know what the hell I was talking about.

Still, probably best to avoid it, now that you mention it. At any rate, it's not too germane to the specific point. Anything that shows up here, notwithstanding the disclaimer about posters' individual opinions, has the potential to reflect on JREF, and the last thing we want is for posts to be populated with widely perceived slurs.

I don't think it would come as a shocker to most people that the JREF is non-catholic or anti-catholic.

 

[Giz]

You knew that the emboldened term is an offensive slur, right? I strongly recommend not using it here.

Why is it an offensive term? It seems quite accurate (supporter of the papacy = papist).

Sounds like people are being a little hypersensitive - it's not as if anyone's singed your beard, right?

 

[TragicMonkey]

The term was used disparagingly back in its heyday. It's an antiquated usage today. Only the well-read would recognize it as having been offensive once, and only some of them would find it offensive now. Whether a term is offensive is going to depend on how it's being used. I'd say there's no point in attempting to revive either "Popish" or "Papist" as a non-derogatory word because a) there's already a perfectly suitable word ("Catholic") for that, and b) the words' histories are against them.

 

[Giz]

The term was used disparagingly back in its heyday. It's an antiquated usage today. Only the well-read would recognize it as having been offensive once, and only some of them would find it offensive now.

Back in its heyday being when Francis Drake and Errol Flynn were liberating bullion galleons from the Spaniards (can I say "Spaniard" - I don't want to cause offense... honest).

It's a historic term, its emotive power has died out long ago, neither does it carry the oppresive history of the n-word (nor are catholics socio-economically disadvantaged in the present day and in need of extra word police coming to their rescue).

I just can't believe it raised anyones hackles enough to potest about it. But then they've been prickly ever since the Treaty of Tordesillas went sour.

 

[Orwell]

You knew that the emboldened term is an offensive slur, right? I strongly recommend not using it here.

This is silly. I was raised catholic , and I can't fathom why the word "papist" is offensive. It's like calling someone "wasp" or something like that.

Your "papist" sensitivities are a bit quaint, ceo.

 

[ceo_esq]

I don't see why not. It is no different than Popish and Papist.

You don't see why "woo-woo" isn't exactly a religious slur?

Popish and Papist aren't offensive in common speech.

They aren't commonly employed terms (partly because they are considered offensive). But that doesn't matter. I think Wikipedia got it right when it said "considered offensive in contemporary speech".

I bet if I habitually and casually used the word Papist on a daily basis, 95% of people wouldn't know what the hell I was talking about.

That might happen even if you didn't use the word. (Just kidding!) But does that dispose of the issue?

I don't think it would come as a shocker to most people that the JREF is non-catholic or anti-catholic.

I think the JREF would have some objections to the second part. But let's assume that what you say as true (at least as applied to the forum members, rather than the JREF itself) - so we're generally either not members of the group targeted by the slur, or else religious bigots, or both. That hardly helps matters.

Why is it an offensive term? It seems quite accurate (supporter of the papacy = papist).

Certain other slurs have some directly or indirectly accurate descriptive basis, but do we generally try to justify their continued use on that ground?

Sounds like people are being a little hypersensitive - it's not as if anyone's singed your beard, right?

I suppose you're right. Feel free to use any slurs as long as they don't technically refer to me.

Your "papist" sensitivities are a bit quaint, ceo.

The fact that this is indisputably a term regarded by many (the number includes persons not belonging to the targeted group and excludes some within it) as offensive has zero to do with my sensibilities. Did I say that I found it personally offensive? I simply recommended against its use here, and this both for eminently practical reasons and for sheer courtesy.

 

[ceo_esq]

The article I read mentioned that previous Supreme Court cases has ruled that proprietorship of a town does not convey the level of control this guy seems to want to wield. I'm not familiar with those cases...is anybody?

I forgot to respond to this earlier. One famous case that leaps to mind is Marsh v. Alabama, involving a steel company town. There's a second line of cases I think are relevant which involved shopping malls, including Lloyd Corp. v. Tanner.

 

[shecky]

I don't think I've ever actually heard the word "papist" spoken at all, except in movies. Let alone in a derogatory manner. Then again, I haven't spent much time in the UK.

If anything, I think Monaghan's ideas may bring "papist", as a derogatory word, back into vogue in the US.

 

[Beady]

Meanwhile, Ave Maria Law School, which seems to be something of a success early in its life, is hopping mad about the prospect of being moved from Ann Arbor, MI down to the Naples area. Stay tuned for many more chapters in this soap opera.

I was just down there a week ago, and I can see why. I don't know what the average income is, down there, but property values are literally through the roof. Took a tour, and the average home I saw was probably in the $1 million range. Ann Arbor salaries probably are going to be inadequate for normal living.