Roger Ramjets
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You are concern trolling, which is worse. Why are you doing it?
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theprestige
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You've been too busy describing anyone who wants to see him prosecuted as a "pathetic" "lynch mob" and "stupid old farts". Sure reads like a defense by attack to me. The fact that you won't even dispute his guilt makes this bizarre animosity even less forgivable, not more.
novaphile
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Show me any online dictionary which says: saying that a person is innocent is the only way to defend someone.
The Atheist
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Bollocks. I'm stating facts.
Absolutely incorrect.
I've been using those terms against people who are putting the execution before the verdict
But your comment, coming from a bloke who's been busy supporting the extra-judicial killing of foreign nationals, is kinda cute.
Even better, show me a single word I've written that suggests I think there's any doubt about his guilt.
My point stands that he will be guilty beyond reasonable doubt when a jury returns that decision.
If you think that's going to be easy to achieve, you're showing a high level of naivety. How many Australians can afford to put their lives on hold for months for a lousy $170 a day?
That's a whole $850 a week, well under half the median wage.
SWORN TESTIMONY BY SAS EYEWITNESSES WHO HAVE BEEN GRANTED IMMUNITY.
Anyone thinks he will not be convicted is either naive or thinks he really didn’t murder anyone. Any only one conviction out of the five charges will be sufficient.
arthwollipot
Limerick Purist Pronouns: He/Him
Undoubtedly, but before that time, we can't legally say that he's certainly guilty.
rjh01
Gentleman of leisure
I think a few people have made some badly worded posts. These have then been missinterpreted by others.
Worse, I found at least one post where this was done where an accusation of lying would not be too far from the truth. For example this post.
Worse, I found at least one post where this was done where an accusation of lying would not be too far from the truth. For example this post.
I looked up where the phrase "stupid old farts" was used. These are people who want to take the law into their own hands. Here is the original post.
I could give more examples. One more. The reference to "lousy $170 a day" is a reference to the difficulty they will have of finding a jury. Nothing more. There is a post somewhere saying that the only people who would be willing would be retired people. I wonder how many hours per week they could pay attention? How many would be "grumpy old men and women" who would be unable to have a civil debate in the jury room?
The Atheist
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You remain determined to miss the point, but others can manage it. Rjh can see it.
I agree.
Bingo!
It was me who made the comment about retirees. I think there will be enormous difficulty empanelling a jury.
You do know that nearly all awards and many enterprise agreements mandate payment for jury duty? Even casuals get paid. And they get to keep the $170 a day. A nice little earner.
Yeah? What law prohibits it?
Sure, if you broadcast or publish it, there is potential for action by BRS, but he has already comprehensively lost a defamation case over this, so this also can’t happen.
And it is perfectly appropriate to say something like “with the preponderance of evidence I’ve seen I believe he is guilty”. I refuse to use “alleged” in association with the charges.
novaphile
Quester of Doglets
Even in places where it's not in the award, some employers give you extra paid time off to cover jury duty.
It's happened to me twice, in one case on an award that didn't cover it, and the second time as a contractor (i.e. no award).
I'm happy to report that we take civic duty very seriously in Australia.
Thanks for this. The reason jury duty is in so many enterprise agreements is that EAs must offer the benefits of awards as a minimum. While it is possible to trade off jury duty payments for other benefits, the reality is that most enterprises usually keep leave entitlements employees have been used to.
The Atheist
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Indeed I do.
However, the mandated pay period is 10 days and I can't imagine many employers would happily pay for 100, and that's well within the bounds of this case. Self employed & businesses with fewer than 4 staff can't pay that sort of requirement, and that's over 25% of all employees without allowing for larger businesses that can't afford key people to be MIA for months. Stay home mums would like the money, but I strongly doubt their ability to get through 3 months without sick kids.
As usual, you're out of touch with the real world.
The AFP took years to get enough evidence to arrest him. The trial will take months.
I think at least one mis-trial is a near certainty.
arthwollipot
Limerick Purist Pronouns: He/Him
You know I'm not a lawyer.
Actually as I understand it, you're quite within your rights to say "I believe he is guilty" because that's a statement about what you believe and not about whether he is actually legally guilty or not. So go nuts with that.
You must have missed this:
SWORN TESTIMONY BY SAS EYEWITNESSES WHO HAVE BEEN GRANTED IMMUNITY.
Let’s see if the defence can discredit or intimidate these hardened professionals. I do not think there will be a mis-trial.
rjh01
Gentleman of leisure
Irrelevant. The evidence is there. Let me think of few ways this trial could go wrong
1. Too many jurors get sick and so get excused.
2. A jury member does something wrong and contaminates the jury. Example https://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/episodes/lehr/101599252
3. Some jury members want to acquit for reasons that have nothing to do with the evidence. This results in a hung jury or jury nullification
4. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckg07jdgp0po
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Pathetic. Another one who seemingly wants to find reasons for BRS acquittal. Let’s see who is right.
rjh01
Gentleman of leisure
This post is total garbage and can be seen to be garbage by anyone who reads this thread.
I look forward to your apology when BRS is convicted quickly and comprehensively,
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rjh01
Gentleman of leisure
This post is so far wrong as to be laughable.
Quickly in the above quote must mean years. LOL.
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