Australia's carbon (dioxide) tax

[a_unique_person]

Gee! And you get quite upset when people say bad names about others.

The polls referred to seem to be by a reputable firm. The fact that Australians believe black is white, with a huge party bias, can be attributed directly to Mark Textor, the Goebbles of the Liberal Party. Using the Nazi trick of telling a lie often enough to make it true.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

The polls referred to seem to be by a reputable firm. The fact that Australians believe black is white, with a huge party bias, can be attributed directly to Mark Textor, the Goebbles of the Liberal Party. Using the Nazi trick of telling a lie often enough to make it true.

Godwin?
Lose.

 

[a_unique_person]

The facts are inflation is low, power bills have been rising mainly due to distribution prices rising dramatically. These are unequivocal facts. Yet Abbott's lie becomes the truth. You will notice that according to the poll, the truthiness varies significantly depending on who you vote for.

 

[Krikkiter]

Global climate change action gathers pace:

http://www.independentaustralia.net/2012/international/global-climate-action-gathers-pace/

"Many of the world’s wealthiest countries have been taking effective action on climate change for more than a decade. Over that period 12 of the world’s wealthy countries – Belgium, the Czech Republic, Denmark, France, Germany, Great Britain, Hungary, Japan, Portugal, the Slovak Republic, Sweden and the United States – have all reduced their emissions of carbon dioxide while their economies have continued to grow."

 

[Hallo Alfie]

Global climate change action gathers pace:

http://www.independentaustralia.net/2012/international/global-climate-action-gathers-pace/

"Many of the world’s wealthiest countries have been taking effective action on climate change for more than a decade. Over that period 12 of the world’s wealthy countries – Belgium, the Czech Republic, Denmark, France, Germany, Great Britain, Hungary, Japan, Portugal, the Slovak Republic, Sweden and the United States – have all reduced their emissions of carbon dioxide while their economies have continued to grow."

Just to endure this items remains on topic:

What is your point with regard the op?
Did they reduce them via a carbon tax or similar mechanism?
If so what were/are the prices?
How do their systems compare to Australia's?
How much will it mitigate the change?

 

[bit_pattern]

power bills have been rising mainly due to distribution prices rising dramatically

If I can recommend some reading on this subject then check out Mike Sandiford at TheConversation.edu.au, his commentary will make your head spin.

http://theconversation.edu.au/one-p...plummeting-cost-of-wholesale-electricity-8125

 

[Krikkiter]

Crikey's new get fact on Australia's carbon price:

http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/08/22/get-fact-is-australia-going-it-alone-on-pricing-carbon/

Lefty crap no doubt.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

Crikey's new get fact on Australia's carbon price:

http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/08/22/get-fact-is-australia-going-it-alone-on-pricing-carbon/

Lefty crap no doubt.

From a crappy left publication.

By the way, anything Tim Flannery says should be taken with a pillar of salt.

 

[bit_pattern]

It amazes me that someone on a sceptic forum would think that poisoning the well constitutes an argument.

 

[Laton]

By the way, anything Tim Flannery says should be taken with a pillar of salt.

 

[uvar]

From a crappy left publication.

By the way, anything Tim Flannery says should be taken with a pillar of salt.

Okay, I'm so curious I gotta ask. Purposefully exaggerating the 'grain' of the original idiom I can understand, but why choose pillar to replace it?

 

[lionking]

Okay, I'm so curious I gotta ask. Purposefully exaggerating the 'grain' of the original idiom I can understand, but why choose pillar to replace it?

Good point. The story of Lot is full of sexism, misogyny, violence and hatred.

Just saying.......

 

[bit_pattern]

http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/08/23/did-i-mention-juliar-has-been-bullying-the-mining-industry/

 

[lionking]

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/picture.php?pictureid=6482&albumid=536&dl=1345718590&thumb=1[/qimg]

http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/08/23/did-i-mention-juliar-has-been-bullying-the-mining-industry/

Hilarious.

 

[bit_pattern]

First Dog has a special place in my heart

 

[uvar]

ABC: "Australia's carbon price will be linked to that in the European Union from 2015 under a deal announced by Climate Change Minister Greg Combet today."

Most importantly the price floor that would have been part of the ETS won't be part of it.

This article from The Australian is from just before the official announcement, but mentions an interesting point (emphasis mine):

The Gillard government hopes to link the Australian emissions trading scheme to the EU market, where carbon is currently trading at about $9.80 a tonne compared to the fixed starting price in Australia of $23 and the floor price from 2015 of $15.

On the other hand, the deal and price floor removal weren't exactly an unexpected development.)

Quick reactions from people smarter than me (than I?):

• Possibly much bigger demand from EU buying permits here than vice versa
• Purchases on the international market would likely have to be compensated if Abbott was able to abolish the ETS

Also saw a link to this (paywalled) March article about various ETS pricing predictions, suggesting the EU scheme might reach $40 a tonne by the end of the decade but others might fall to $5.

ETA: An 'official' release from the EU side.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

So much for the Yabbie's 'business certainty in pricing carbon'(owtte)

Another lie. Unbelievable.

The ABC reports:

Mr Combet said the long-term average European carbon price was around $23 per tonne.

I would be interested to see where he gets that figure - which (coincidentally ) is our current price and conveniently and presumably means forward budget estimates need no downward adjustment.

 

[uvar]

So much for the Yabbie's 'business certainty in pricing carbon'(owtte)

Another lie. Unbelievable.

The ABC reports:


I would be interested to see where he gets that figure - which is (coincidentally ) our current price, which presumably means forward budget estimates need no adjustment.

It was over 30 Euros a few years ago, so while it's not representative of the current situation it might be technically correct as an average.

I would think that this would increase business certainty in the carbon price, with less uncertainty about its long-term existence (if simply because it will be harder/more expensive to undo) and, based on others' commentary, cheaper prices and more demand than the previous proposal.

On the other hand, even the partial link only takes effect in 2015 (unless that's moved forward as well), so the next few years will remain fixed-price and existing business plans/budgets shouldn't be affected.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

How does this give certainty? It actually removes some especially around the price.

The current price is currently $9-(approx) and has dropped in line with the markets from $30-. This is called market correction and reflects the true price.

I would still like to know from which orifice he gets the forward figure of $23 per tonne?

 

[bit_pattern]

Hahaha. Embedded! Let's see Phoney Tony try and follow through with his "blood pledge" now