Australian Politics - The Turnbull period.

[psionl0]

It's official - Turnbull has just been elected PM by 54 votes to 44 and Julie Bishop is the deputy PM.

 

[lionking]

Treasurer will be interesting. Morrison was earlier reported as staying loyal to Abbott, but I'll bet he gets the job. Dutton? In the bin I hope. His gaffe and Abbott's laughing support may well have been the catalyst.

I wonder if Bishop and Turnbull have a "Kiribilli Agreement"? I think so.

 

[arthwollipot]

I'm not sure this is good for Labour. Tony could not have beaten Bill Who? in a general election. Turnbull might.

In fact, if Turnbull wants to win the next election, he will call for an immediate conscience vote on gay marriage. Pass that, then call an election.

He might have to do something with Syrian refugees too. And we will have a Liberal party government until 2020.

But I can't be sad that Abbott is out.

 

[psionl0]

I'm not sure this is good for Labour.

I don't think that Jeremy Corbyn has anything to worry about. OTOH Labor does.

Tony could not have beaten Bill Who? in a general election. Turnbull might.

Yup.

 

[icerat]

I'm not sure this is good for Labour. Tony could not have beaten Bill Who? in a general election. Turnbull might.

In fact, if Turnbull wants to win the next election, he will call for an immediate conscience vote on gay marriage. Pass that, then call an election.

He might have to do something with Syrian refugees too. And we will have a Liberal party government until 2020.

But I can't be sad that Abbott is out.

I've not supported the liberal party since Sallyanne Atkinson was Lord Mayor of Brisbane.

I worked with Malcolm during the Australian Republican Movement days, and if he can get his personal policy beliefs in to Liberal party policy, then it is a party I would vote for, and I would vote for Malcolm personally.

 

[lionking]

A November election will be a disaster for Labor. There needs to be a quick transition to Plibesek for Labor to win, and this will not happen before November.

 

[arthwollipot]

Right now I wouldn't vote for either of them.

 

[Sideroxylon]

Welded on Lib supporters I know not happy.

 

[Damien Evans]

Well, that makes me a tiny little bit optimistic about the liberal party actually being Liberal.

 

[wombatwal]

Yes, the Liberal Party electing a Liberal as it's leader. I never!!

 

[arthwollipot]

I love the people commenting this morning who don't know how parliament works.

"We didn't elect him!". Well, no, we didn't elect any Prime Minister. We elected the Party that elects the Prime Minister.

 

[devnull]

I love the people commenting this morning who don't know how parliament works.

"We didn't elect him!". Well, no, we didn't elect any Prime Minister. We elected the Party that elects the Prime Minister.

To be fair, even the former PM had issues with this it seems.

He also "expected to win" and "was confident he had 45" so he couldnt do basic math either, but I digress.

 

[a_unique_person]

Still no sign of Tony. Until he resigns, Malcolm can't be sworn in.

He will also be the shortest serving PM since Billy McMahon. Not a good look.

 

[novaphile]

Supping from the Poisoned Chalice

I really don't think that Mr Turnbull has any hope in the role.

He could renege on some of the worst of the Lib's recent policies, i.e. build the NBN instead of the hopelessly mixed up fraudband project; stop the attacks on the most vulnerable etc...

But if he did, the ultra right-wingers in the party will fall on him like a pack of rabid dogs. (Any guesses how long it would be before Scott Morrison would be in the role in those circumstances?)

So, he has to continue with stuff like we heard last night "We failed to sell our message."

The problem is, Australia understood the message just fine, we just won't stand for it.

I'm expecting no changes, a temporary blip in the polls, and then a continued slide to oblivion.

 

[angrysoba]

A November election will be a disaster for Labor. There needs to be a quick transition to Plibesek for Labor to win, and this will not happen before November.

To be fair, even the former PM had issues with this it seems.

He also "expected to win" and "was confident he had 45" so he couldnt do basic math either, but I digress.

OT but is that really Australian spelling?

How would you spell words like:

centre, metre and favourite?

Back on topic: An Aussie friend of mine was opining last night that the margin of victory was too small for Turnbull to consider himself safe and that he expects Abbot to mount a leadership challenge of his own.

 

[a_unique_person]

OT but is that really Australian spelling?

How would you spell words like:

centre, metre and favourite?

Back on topic: An Aussie friend of mine was opining last night that the margin of victory was too small for Turnbull to consider himself safe and that he expects Abbot to mount a leadership challenge of his own.

Congratulations. You have spotted an interesting cultural anomaly.

The whole story of why it is spelled Labor.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/big-ques...ingfor-its-name/2005/12/08/1133829714837.html

Name changes[edit]
The ALP adopted the formal name "Australian Labour Party" in 1908, but changed the spelling to "Labor" in 1912. While it is standard practice in Australian English both today and at the time to spell the word "labour" with a "u", the party was influenced by the United States labor movement, and a prominent figure in the early history of the party, the American-born King O'Malley, was successful in having the spelling "modernised".[13] The change also made it easier to distinguish references to the party from the labour movement in general.[14] (See also Spelling in Australian English.)

In South Australia the United Labor Party became the South Australian branch of the Australian Labor Party on 14 September 1917.[15]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Labor_Party#Name_changes

So I blame America.

 

[a_unique_person]

OT but is that really Australian spelling?

How would you spell words like:

centre, metre and favourite?

Back on topic: An Aussie friend of mine was opining last night that the margin of victory was too small for Turnbull to consider himself safe and that he expects Abbot to mount a leadership challenge of his own.

Won't happen. The margin is bigger than Abbott had when he became leader (1 vote). Abbott is finished and the conservative faction has plenty of alternatives to choose from who are more rounded as political leaders, mainly Morrison. Abbott is turns out was capable of little more than repetitious slogans and head kicking. OK in opposition but severely lacking when you are supposed to be a leader. Right up to the end he was still going on about "Stopped the boats". People wanted him to do that, they don't like to be reminded of it all the time. Stopping boats is a very messy, inhuman process.

 

[angrysoba]

Won't happen. The margin is bigger than Abbott had when he became leader (1 vote). Abbott is finished and the conservative faction has plenty of alternatives to choose from who are more rounded as political leaders, mainly Morrison. Abbott is turns out was capable of little more than repetitious slogans and head kicking. OK in opposition but severely lacking when you are supposed to be a leader. Right up to the end he was still going on about "Stopped the boats". People wanted him to do that, they don't like to be reminded of it all the time. Stopping boats is a very messy, inhuman process.

Ah, so he's like the embodiment of their guilty consciences?

Thanks for the interesting posts.

 

[devnull]

Back on topic: An Aussie friend of mine was opining last night that the margin of victory was too small for Turnbull to consider himself safe and that he expects Abbot to mount a leadership challenge of his own.

Nah, 10 is a thumping. We wont see Abbott again.

 

[a_unique_person]

One leading business figure picked it earlier this year when he said that "Tony Abbott tried being prime minister but found he preferred being Opposition leader".

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-15/analysis-what-led-to-the-demise-of-tony-abbott/6777070

He has appeared in public.

Abbott hits out at "febrile" media culture "that rewards treachery".