Audio Critic

[alfaniner]

As an aside, I apologize to the Forum members for getting the "BS!" ball rolling. Even before the start of page 24, I notified Darat that in all fairness, my strongly worded post on the previous page should be edited for Rule 8 (since it was too late to do it on my own after I slept if off...) even though no one had reported it as far as I know. And he did, thank you.

However, it did seem to prod Wellfed into actually doing something, as ineffective and inconclusive as his non-double-blind self test was.

 

[BPSCG]

They keep trying to attack my credibility and defend a liar, what the heck would you do in a situation like that?

Well, if I were as certain about the GSIC's powers as you claim to be, I would not be throwing all kinds of extraneous requirements into the testing protocol, such as having to be able to see the CD player (what, you mean a blind person wouldn't be able to hear the GSIC's effect?). And if I were as certain about the GSIC's powerformance as you claim to be, I wouldn't be troubled by JREF's demands.

JREF: "We're going to videotape the proceedings."
WF: "Fine, whatever you want. The thing works, what do I care?"
JREF: "You won't be allowed to handle the CD's"
WF: "Fine, whatever you want. The thing works, what do I care?"
JREF: "You have to buy pizza for all the test participants. No anchovies."
WF: "Fine, whatever you want..."

Crash your hypothesis against the brick wall. You seem sure that it would survive such a test; so why not do it?

I will presumably do so when I get the inclination.

Fine, whatever. As I said, the brick wall test is for your benefit. You wouldn't be the first person to find himself saying, "Hmmm... maybe I was wrong..."

I am persuaded because I hear the difference, not just think I hear the difference.

No possibility of self-deception? Okay, if you say so.

Boy, one would think that I am just the kind of guy you folks would love to see tested. Let's see if we can make this happen.

No, the kind of guy we'd like to see tested is someone who makes his challenge March 31 and after a few dozen emails back and forth to hammer out a leakproof protocol (or as leakproof as possible), gets tested on April 14.

Look, you're wasting your time here complaining about being rejected. You already know that nobody here is taking up your cause to reopen your challenge, so it's not like Kramer is going to bow to the will of the masses - and I doubt he would even if there were an outcry, as long as both he and his boss were satisfied that the rejection was the right choice. You wanted to have JREF bet a million bucks against your zero bucks that your GSIC didn't work, and when JREF demanded strict protocols, instead of saying, "Yeah, fine, whatever you want, let's do it, 'cuz I know the thing works," you started dancing like a cat on a red-hot stove.

Well, it's JREF's money, and if they don't like the terms of the bet, they're free to walk away, just as you would have been. Remember the Golden Rule: "Him who's got the gold, makes the rules." Suck it up and come back next year and hope that LostAngeles flunks the challenge in the meantime.

BTW, what do you think of her chances?

 

[edthedoc]

This is all getting so tedious.

If I thought the GSIC worked I'd get two identical CDs, treat one with the chip, put both in a box, shake it up a bit, keep my eyes closed and take one out, put it in the player and play it, then swap them, again, and again, and try to work out which is which.

If I could work out which disk was which, I'd then be very keen to tighten the controls into a proper trial, and then contact JREF.

A simple blinded trial like this would be so easy to do, but Wellfed ain't interested, because he doesn't dare do it.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

This is all getting so tedious.

If I thought the GSIC worked I'd get two identical CDs, treat one with the chip, put both in a box, shake it up a bit, keep my eyes closed and take one out, put it in the player and play it, then swap them, again, and again, and try to work out which is which.

 

[LTC8K6]

Possibly the original version of the GSIC

The JSIC, possibly renamed by new scammers to GSIC and sold under the Golden Sound name? I don't know, but it appears to be basically identical, except it has a 20 disc model.

JS intelligent chip
The signals in the CDs / DVDs are distorted in the course of pressing. In fact, the codes have not been lost in the pressing. Instead, the digital codes are misplaced. For example, one code should have been in position A and it is not. Then the position is blank. This causes distortion. The code has not been lost in the pressing. Instead, it has been placed in position B. This signal then turns into the background noise. The JS intelligent chip can make the protons of the material that the CD/DVD is made of produce resonance, through which the order of digital codes of the CD/DVD is resumed and the codes are rearranged to their original places. So the upgraded CD/DVD can get back all the things in the master disk. And the background noise will disappear. The upgraded disk will perform just like the master disk. / (Attached please find the operating instruction.)
Specification and model:10A 20A 30A

http://www.hktwo.com/jsmr/english/jpxl.htm

Picture of the JS Intelligent Chip.

http://www.hktwo.com/jsmr/english/photo/648169.jpg

Instructions for use.

http://www.hktwo.com/jsmr/english/sysm.htm

They also have the magic ring and the ridiculous tweeter.....

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Thanks for the links.. Made IE explode on me...

 

[IXP]

Re: Possibly the original version of the GSIC

The JSIC, possibly renamed by new scammers to GSIC and sold under the Golden Sound name? I don't know, but it appears to be basically identical, except it has a 20 disc model.



http://www.hktwo.com/jsmr/english/jpxl.htm

Picture of the JS Intelligent Chip.

http://www.hktwo.com/jsmr/english/photo/648169.jpg

Instructions for use.

http://www.hktwo.com/jsmr/english/sysm.htm

They also have the magic ring and the ridiculous tweeter.....

Wow! A tweeter that extends the range into the microwave region! Now you can listen to your music and heat your supper at the same time.

IXP

 

[BPSCG]

Re: Possibly the original version of the GSIC

The JSIC, possibly renamed by new scammers to GSIC and sold under the Golden Sound name? I don't know, but it appears to be basically identical, except it has a 20 disc model.

That's fantastic!

Attention: The JS intelligent chip should be put back into the packing case after using, because the packing case can protect the quantum material of the JS intelligent chip - preventing them from leaking.

Quantum material? Wuzzat?

The JS intelligent chip can make the protons of the material that the CD/DVD is made of produce resonance, through which the order of digital codes of the CD/DVD is resumed and the codes are rearranged to their original places.

It only makes the protons resonate, not the electrons or the neutrons.

That's fantastic!

 

[BPSCG]

Whee! This is fun!

 

[alfaniner]

Re: Possibly the original version of the GSIC

JS intelligent chip
...For example, one code should have been in position A and it is not. Then the position is blank. This causes distortion. The code has not been lost in the pressing. Instead, it has been placed in position B.
...

That is, bad CD's are bad. Bad, bad, bad.
This chip is good. Good, good, good.
See the good chip. It will do good things.

 

[Wellfed]

As an aside, I apologize to the Forum members for getting the "BS!" ball rolling. Even before the start of page 24, I notified Darat that in all fairness, my strongly worded post on the previous page should be edited for Rule 8 (since it was too late to do it on my own after I slept if off...) even though no one had reported it as far as I know. And he did, thank you.

However, it did seem to prod Wellfed into actually doing something, as ineffective and inconclusive as his non-double-blind self test was.

alfaniner, you were told that demanding me to do anything wasn't going to hold any sway. The only reason for me to publish my test results is to satisfy the curiosity of the gracious. Since the record is public, the ungracious obviously can view the same content.

 

[Hitch]

http://www.hktwo.com/jsmr/english/tjwf.htm
The JSMR Quantum waveguide tube(the Magic Ring) can be used by running the signal wires OR the power cord through the ring OR on top of the ring (either the signal wires OR the power cord) OR you can simply place the ring(s) on the floor in front of OR behind the amplifier.

Truly a remarkable device. I wonder if the offer a free shipping version where they set one up at their plant to improve the sound of your stereo without actually any need for it to be located where you are?

 

[Wellfed]

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If I were you, I'd not be citing my experience as proving anything until a truly objective double-blind test is performed. You are staking your remaining crediblity on a position that is essentially based on your own subjective experiences.

Let's get JREF moving on this then. I want my subjective to become your objective. Testing by JREF is the first step. I'm willing, are they? BTW, God is real, look at a tree, or a bird, or a human being. That should tell you all you need to know about God's existence.

 

[Wellfed]

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No, the kind of guy we'd like to see tested is someone who makes his challenge March 31 and after a few dozen emails back and forth to hammer out a leakproof protocol (or as leakproof as possible), gets tested on April 14.

Well, if this the case, clarify the rules. The Challenge FAQ suggests 1-6 months. The Challenge application allows for 12 months.

Originally posted by BPSCG
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Well, it's JREF's money, and if they don't like the terms of the bet, they're free to walk away, just as you would have been. Remember the Golden Rule: "Him who's got the gold, makes the rules." Suck it up and come back next year and hope that LostAngeles flunks the challenge in the meantime.

The do seem to love their leverage, don't they. But are they really after the truth. I personally don't think so.

Originally posted by BPSCG BTW, what do you think of her chances?

I think she has a chance.

 

[Gr8wight]

I am persuaded because I hear the difference, not just think I hear the difference. I have no need to run a DBT to make my assertion.

Michael,

You have put your finger right on the point of the matter. You are correct in stating that you have no need to run a DBT to make your assertion. However, having made your assertion, and having heard skeptical replies from those around you, the matter is at a stalemate. You have a belief. Those here do not share your belief. There are two options:

1) You say I don't care what you think, I will still believe. The story is over, and everyone goes their own way.

2) You attempt to support your claim by providing evidence that we will accept. Here we have run into the need for double blind testing.

It all depends on what you want.

 

[alfaniner]

In other words, DB testing talks, BS walks.

 

[Bronze Dog]

In other words, DB testing talks, BS walks.

Well, isn't that a nice snippy quote. Think I might use it someday, if that's alright with you.

 

[jmercer]

Let's get JREF moving on this then. I want my subjective to become your objective. Testing by JREF is the first step. I'm willing, are they? BTW, God is real, look at a tree, or a bird, or a human being. That should tell you all you need to know about God's existence.

JREF is closed to you by your own actions. As I said before, pick another skeptic organization that does testing.

 

[BPSCG]

Well, if this the case, clarify the rules.

Not me; I suggested to Kramer there was a problem with LA's test, and cited what I thought were the rules. He got pretty testy with me (see, it isn't just you...). I suspect you know the rules a lot better than I.

 

[jmercer]

BP - FYI, Wellfed just got suspended (after Darat warned him) for another violation of Rule 8, so you won't be hearing from him for a week or so.