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Atheists, quit confusing the two.

punshhh said:
Thanks for the links, I view the mind specifically as the intellectual self conscious entity, seated in a experiential virtual real time and space within the head. With access to its various faculties, along with a subconscious self.
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I'm not really sure what this has to do with anything. I'm fine with it but it doesn't deviate from the proposition that the mind is what the brain does. So long as you don't posit duality then I don't mind. It's not that far from the position of experts in the field.

I treat this as a separate process of the brain from the more physiological activity of the brain, ie its managerial role with the biological processes of the body.
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There are lots of processes in the brain. Not sure why you would make this distinction. In any event, we know experimental that consciousness is actually the result of disparate processes. Damage to any single one of this contributing processes results in decreased cognitive function.

So, what I need to know is if you agree that the mind is simply an emergent property of the brain. Like flight is an emergent property of aerodynamic systems. I.e. planes, birds, bees, etc.
 
RandFan said:
I'm not really sure what this has to do with anything. I'm fine with it but it doesn't deviate from the proposition that the mind is what the brain does. So long as you don't posit duality then I don't mind. It's not that far from the position of experts in the field.

There are lots of processes in the brain. Not sure why you would make this distinction. In any event, we know experimental that consciousness is actually the result of disparate processes. Damage to any single one of this contributing processes results in decreased cognitive function.

So, what I need to know is if you agree that the mind is simply an emergent property of the brain. Like flight is an emergent property of aerodynamic systems. I.e. planes, birds, bees, etc.
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Yes I agree with this, however I would point out that to lump the subjective intellect in with awareness of experience(qualia) and response to sensory stimulation. Is too general a category and risks confusing quite different aspects of the self.

By restricting the mind to the intellectual process, ie the thinking personality. The subjective interpretation of being is not confused with bodily functions and the experience of sensory stimulation. Which are processes carried out by the organ of the brain(and not the mind).
 
punshhh said:
Yes I agree with this, however I would point out that to lump the subjective intellect in with awareness of experience(qualia) and response to sensory stimulation. Is too general a category and risks confusing quite different aspects of the self.

By restricting the mind to the intellectual process, ie the thinking personality. The subjective interpretation of being is not confused with bodily functions and the experience of sensory stimulation. Which are processes carried out by the organ of the brain(and not the mind).
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Perhaps you could edit this to make it comprehensible.

ETA: the mind is a function of the brain and does not exist apart from that
 
kerikiwi said:
Except that Dafydd doesn't post anything even remotely similar to gibberish. So your politeness is redundant.
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Thank you. I am sure that punshhh does not know the meaning of the word gibberish. He calls my awkward questions gibberish,and never answers them. He still hasn't told me what he would do if he saw a large rock falling toward him. Nothing we can see is real,that is what he said. I'm betting he would jump out of the way of the unreal rock.
 
I take it that punshhh has been unable to find any examples of me posting gibberish. I knew he couldn't. Non-mystics are usually lucid.
 
punshhh said:
Yes I agree with this, however I would point out that to lump the subjective intellect in with awareness of experience(qualia) and response to sensory stimulation. Is too general a category and risks confusing quite different aspects of the self.

By restricting the mind to the intellectual process, ie the thinking personality. The subjective interpretation of being is not confused with bodily functions and the experience of sensory stimulation. Which are processes carried out by the organ of the brain(and not the mind).
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I'm honestly not sure of what it is your saying. I suspect I have an inkling but I don't want to belabor the point. If you have a book by a cognitive neuroscientist or philosopher of mind (who is recognized in his or her field) that better explains your position I'd gladly read it.
 
punshhh said:
I could show you various examples of Dafydds jibber jabber.
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As others have said - the ball is in your court.

Show these examples or you really ought to apologise.

Or at least acknowledge that you can't find the examples.
 
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