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Atheist Deals with Death

avocado

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My grandmother passed away today, and by the looks of it my grandfather will soon follow behind. The interesting thing is that this is the first time I've had to deal with death since becoming atheist. It is a depressing feeling. My grandmother died alone in the hospital completely unexpected. Hell, I can't even remember the last time I saw her, and I will never see her again. I guess I have to live with it, but a part of me wishes to believe that I will see her again. It's only natural.

Oh well, the earth keeps spinning. :(

Any similar experiences or feelings from atheists?
 
I can relate. Both of my grandparents on my mom's side died last year, within 7 weeks of each other. While all my relatives were telling each other the whole "They're in a better place" line, the only thing I could come up that I could say with complete honesty is, "They had a good, full, long life. We're lucky that we were a part of it."

Those in my family who believe in an afterlife seemed to feel no less of a sting than I. There are days when you'll think about them just out of the blue. But right now, take comfort knowing that this is as bad as it gets.

Also, brace yourself for possible funeral-related woo. The thing that almost upset me more than their deaths was how their memorial services were turned into an extended sales pitch for Southern Baptist Christianity. 99% of the talk was about Jesus, and 1% was, "Oh wait, why are we here? That's right, somebody died. No wonder all these strangers are sitting up front." I wish their church had actually honored their memories.

My sympathies.
 
There have been a number of threads about this, and I have had similar experiences. Yes, being a believer may gave the berieved some comfort that their dead loved ones go to a "better place", but this is not a good enough reason to abandon rationality. By all means grieve and celebrate the lives of your grandmother, but just glare at people who say "she is now looking down on you". And I do feel for you as my mother, father, mother-in-law and father-in-law will probably not survive the year.
 
It is a tough thing. I agree that you need to be prepared for the woo that will come up with it. I definitely feel for you as a person in my extended familly is suffering from a disease which is terminal 98% of the time. They are doing very well right now but the chances of living beyond 1-2 years are not good. The hardest part for me is biting my tounge when they start talking about all the woo they hope will help them.

Just remember the deceased and the impact they had on your life. Let others attach extra meanings if they want. Now is the time to grieve and reflect. Arguing beliefs will just make the situation worse for everyone involved.

You may not have a magical sky-chief their for you but you have the real people in your life and the real(ish) people on this forum who sympathize with you. You don't have god but you are certainly not alone.
 
I used to believe very strongly, not too long ago and for most of my life, in heaven and hell. To the point that when my ex-husband once told me he didn't believe in hell, I was stunned and very scared for him, even horrified.

Right after Mom died, though, while I could suddenly see clearly why a belief in an afterlife lends comfort, I still couldn't bring myself to re-accept the notions I'd discarded. Even in the face of the death of someone I treasured more than myself, it was just more rational to me that she was....gone. What was my mom is now a box of ashes in my sister's closet, but also a lifetime of memories I'll always have.

Oh, there were moments I wished I could believe it; could believe some eternal part of her still existed, somewhere. But I don't. There were times I'd have conversations with her, even to the point of pausing, listening, and responding, to a voice that wasn't there. I knew full well that my mom wasn't speaking to me from beyond the grave, that I was making up her replies in my head, but what delighted me was the knowledge that I knew my mom so well, I could do that, could make up a conversation. And it would feel, for a moment, just like the real thing used to.

Mom's gone. But it's okay. I remember her.
 
I haven't wished to see lost family again in a supernatural setting. I guess it comes of being a life-long atheist from a non-religious family -- the temptation to want a shared afterlife isn't even there. The closest I've come is to occasionally regret that there isn't a hell. As far as the real world goes, for people I've lost too soon, I sometimes think "Wouldn't it be great if I happened to see them on the street, and they were OK but had to stay out of touch all these years".

It still hurts a lot.
 
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My condolences to you. Your grandparents do have a kind of immortality, through you.
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My apologies if the following is inappropriate for this thread.

Something I've observed that frequently takes place at funerals is that the officiating preacher uses the funeral as an evangelism opportunity. I find this offensive. Why won't they just celebrate the life of the deceased family member?

Another odd phenomenon is when family members hijack the funeral to make it into family amateur hour with readings of their home-made poetry (with every line carefully rhyming) and so on. At one such occasion, I was trying very hard to stifle my urge to laugh. I looked at my husband and he looked as though his head was about to explode from holding in the giggles.

But, avocado, don't let my little story keep you from reading poetry at funerals, if that comforts you. :)
 
I lost my father last year. The fact that he too was an athiest somehow made it easier than if he'd been expecting a quick trip to the afterlife. I remember a few months before he died, looking at some Hubble photos with him and discussing how being - in a very literal sense - a part of all this was far more impressive than religion.

Of course, it was agonising to watch him die, and to try and get used to him being gone. It's affected me in lots of ways. But I refuse to believe that there'd be any comfort in religion at this point beyond the superficial. In my experience, mourning Christians seem even more heartbroken and tearful than mourning atheists - their faith does surprisingly little to insulate them against the reality of death, when that reality is staring them in the face, and what's more they lack the perspective to accept it on its own terms. The real burden for the atheist is, as the OP noted, knowing that you'll never see them again (unless there are some serious developments in the multiverse theory).

Although my mother is very much an agnostic rather than an atheist, we agreed that religion should be kept well out of the funeral. His friends and family assembled at the crematorium, and I gave a short and entirely woo-free eulogy, before we all went off for a drink at his bowls club. It was understated and dignified and nobody had to pretend - those who wanted to pray silently were free to do so. I think he'd have been satisfied with it.

Worst thing was the clownish undertaker, impressed by my speech, pestering me endlessly to become a humanist minister. "150 pounds a service, and sometimes you do two in one day!" Not something that especially appeals to me, but certainly not while I'm still at my own father's funeral. Other than that, it was relatively easy to bear.

As slingblade said, it's surprising how easily you find yourself having imaginary conversations with the people you've lost. I still occasionally talk to my dad now. I don't think about it too hard - part of me is thinking "well, you never know", but mostly I'm fully aware that I'm just comforting myself. But it seems an appropriate way of remembering someone, given them space in your head to slowly fade away, rather than being ripped suddenly from this mortal coil (and however it happens, it's always sudden).

Really, the advantage of atheism when dealing with the death of a parent is that it toughens you up. You're able to deal with it as a man (or a grown woman), rather than a crying baby trying to communicate with the invisible ultra-daddy, who just folds his arms and looks the other way, however hysterical you might get. I feel like I've grown up a lot, emotionally, and I'm not sure that would have happened if I'd had religious faith. And really, overseeing your emotional growth is part of what fathers are for, and part of what makes them proud. As a parting gift, it's harsh but fair.
 
My Dad died a few weeks ago and I have posted about this and my thoughts elsewhere on this forum.

He was an atheist as best I can tell -- at least in one of the last rational conversations I had with him he commented that he wasn't going anywhere,

It's a very cold universe we live in but we are products of a few 100s of million years of evolution and a death of a loved one is still painfull.

Best of luck av.
 
Death is the downside to being an atheist

My grandmother passed away today, and by the looks of it my grandfather will soon follow behind. The interesting thing is that this is the first time I've had to deal with death since becoming atheist. It is a depressing feeling. My grandmother died alone in the hospital completely unexpected. Hell, I can't even remember the last time I saw her, and I will never see her again. I guess I have to live with it, but a part of me wishes to believe that I will see her again. It's only natural.

Oh well, the earth keeps spinning. :(

Any similar experiences or feelings from atheists?


I've lost my father, stepfather and all of my grandparents and two best friends. It isn't easy. I sometimes get jealous of the believers because they fully expect to be reunited with their deceased loved ones. Its not going to happen though. Death is the end. Realise this and try to be happy while you're alive.
 
My condolences.

I have not noticed that death of a loved one is any easier for believers than it is for atheists.
 
My condolences.

I have not noticed that death of a loved one is any easier for believers than it is for atheists.

Quite correct. They claim it is, I cannot read their minds - but my observation only tells me they do not believe their loved ones are anywhere but dead. I would almost never push that idea on them, but it surely does appear to be the case.
 
The flip side of the grief is the understanding that you got to meet love and know that person in this time and space... and you'd do it again... even if you knew it wouldn't be forever.... right? And it wasn't planned... it happened... and that is really amazing and cool. You got to be here and be human and be part of this experience and now you grieve what is lost, but the other person cannot grieve or help you through your grief because they do not exist... but it takes a long time for your brain to really "get" it. I suspect atheists and theists have similar reactions... they just label them differently. We use what we can to comfort us, but it still hurts. Life is precious because it ISN'T forever.

I think we all get numb at first and that we slowly absorb the "truth"... our brain slowly make sense of it at it's own pace using whatever comforts it can find. I don't think I could make myself believe if I tried anymore. And I sure wouldn't have the heart to say anything to anyone else who was getting some kind of comfort from "signs".
 
I took care of my "Granny" up until the day she got to die in her own bed, her wish.

She was a Christian, and I took her to Church every week, and breakfast after.

She had the Alzheimer's and didn't even know me at the end. But somehow I believe that I did the "right" thing.

When she was gasping her last breath, and I was holding her hand, my final words were, "I hope you find your Heaven".

I still miss her, as She kinda raised me.

Death is Tough.

p.s. this made me cry
 
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Quite correct. They claim it is, I cannot read their minds - but my observation only tells me they do not believe their loved ones are anywhere but dead. I would almost never push that idea on them, but it surely does appear to be the case.

I've always thought this was weird too. I especially thought it was weird in the Andrea Yates case... because all those people should believe that those kids were living happily ever after, right? They didn't have to endure any more suffering that comes from life on earth... and no threats of hell... if what they tell me they believe is true, then they people who did not know those kids should not hate Andrea Yates... they should be glad for those "souls" who get guaranteed eternal happy lives without populating the planet more and getting involved in the pains and pleasures of mortal existence.

I suspect people don't really "know" what they believe... they've learned not to "question" it, because it's "arrogant" to question god. But they think they know... and so they draw comfort from whatever assorted beliefs they can bring to the surface at the time.

I think the feelings are the same... I know that I feel "spiritual" at times-- or "moved"... I think atheists just attribute their feelings to different things... just as one might interpret a strong sex drive to angels or devils or whatever your culture provided as explanatory things for feelings you didn't understand. Humans love because humans who loved preferentially passed on their genes... but we invent reasons for why we love even if those reasons aren't all the way right... and we invent reasons for why we grieve... it makes us feel like "we" makes sense and we have control over something that we don't have as much control over as we'd like.
 
avocado, you have my sympathies. You'll get through it.

Yes, being a believer may gave the berieved some comfort that their dead loved ones go to a "better place", but this is not a good enough reason to abandon rationality. By all means grieve and celebrate the lives of your grandmother, but just glare at people who say "she is now looking down on you". And I do feel for you as my mother, father, mother-in-law and father-in-law will probably not survive the year.
The flip side is the lack of a need to worry that your loved one didn't make it to said "better place" I have trouble understanding how believers in both heaven and hell find comfort in that after the loss of a loved one. I lost my Grandmother last year and while it's still hard, I find the idea of non-existence for her preferable to the idea of life being an eternal bet on the correct way to worship an invisible sky daddy with infinite stakes.

Also, brace yourself for possible funeral-related woo. The thing that almost upset me more than their deaths was how their memorial services were turned into an extended sales pitch for Southern Baptist Christianity. 99% of the talk was about Jesus, and 1% was, "Oh wait, why are we here? That's right, somebody died. No wonder all these strangers are sitting up front." I wish their church had actually honored their memories.
I had the same extremely distressing experience at my Grandmother's memorial service. My mother is a Christian, while her mother was an atheist. She hired her Lutheran minister to do the service, and his first words were "you know, Phil (her nickname) hated the same things about religion that Jesus did." And proceeded to spend the rest of the time talking about Jesus.
 
The thing that almost upset me more than their deaths was how their memorial services were turned into an extended sales pitch for Southern Baptist Christianity.

I remember something similar at my grandmother's funeral about 3 years ago. With the absence of a smooth transition, all of a sudden the presiding minister did an alter-call. I wasn't angry, just a little annoyed, worried my grandmother's death was somehow being exploited.

However, my grandmother was an Irish-tempered Catholic from Massachusetts. If she were there, she might appreciate it except for the fact that the presiding minister was a Protestant.

My condolences, and all the best to you and your family in this time of mourning.
 
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Sorry Avocado, for your loss.
I lost my parent's-in-law whom I loved very much three years ago. (I know, in-laws aren't usually that popular, LOL, but mine were really special people).
Mother was religious, and Dad was an atheist. They died within two months of each other, aged 80, and 84.
I loved Dad because he saw life in realistic terms. He wanted to die. He was ailing for years with emphysema, and when Mum went with a heart attack, he wanted to go too.

Mum's funeral was in church, Dad's was at the crematorium, and secular. Both were just as sad, it made no difference. The loss is there.
I know that Mum was taking communion now and then, (in her home with the preacher), as she couldn't go to church. I know she was scared. She loved life, and did NOT want to go yet.
Dad on the other hand, didn't care one way or the other. I was pleased that he got his wish, and yet, I cried even harder when he died.

I also wish there was an after life, yet, on the other hand, there has to be an end.
If my in laws are now, "nowhere"... which is where we are "before" we are born, then what better peace is there, than absolute oblivion?

They live on in my memories, and we often still talk about them, just to feel as if they are still here. I think it's healthy to talk about loved ones who have passed on. They live on in you!
 
Yes, aussiegirl... it does feel good to talk about them... it feels good when others share memories of them... there's this need to keep them alive in some way... to make sure others get to know a piece of them... even just through anecdote or story or photo or memory. I lost my husband when we were both 28... he was my best friend... and people avoided mentioning him a lot... I think so they wouldn't upset me... but I just wanted to talk about him and I craved every detail of every memory or photo or anecdote they had.

When I first met him he said he didn't want to be just a memory in photos like past lovers so he filled my life with notes and memories and eventually video and momentos and a son-- and they are all still here, though he died of cancer. I believed he was alive in some form after he died--because he wanted to believe he would be... I convinced myself I felt him or that things were signs... but I have always been a skeptic... never trusting feelings completely because I'd learned that they could be wrong. I wanted it to be true... but after a while.... I understood that wanting something with all your "heart" isn't enough to make it true. And I'd rather just deal with what I can know for sure and not seek comfort in delusion. I had never heard anyone voice the idea that they didn't believe in souls, and I don't know how the process would be different if I'd have heard such.
 

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