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qwints said:
The feature, block and report for spam, "was reserved for fake accounts spamming, or sock accounts created to threaten and abuse people," didn't work, and was voluntarily removed from the bot.
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It was removed because it didn't work, and because it broke the Terms of Service of Twitter and they were scared of negative consequences. Not because they thought it was morally wrong.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
It was removed because it didn't work, and because it broke the Terms of Service of Twitter and they were scared of negative consequences. Not because they thought it was morally wrong.
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Ayup, you beat me to it. Though maybe there was some discussion of "wrongness" on the secret boards that we can't access.
 
Stout said:
I don't know who poster e4e5 is over on A+ but I take my hat off to him/her for some fine skepticism and critical thinking over on their mental health in Vancouver thread.

Not only did e4e5 dispel their assumptions that he/she was posting from an abelist perspective but he/she also exposed the chemgeek blatantly making things up as well.

Keep in mind though, this is just the city of Vancouver being discussed, the greater Vancouver area is significantly larger.
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Yes, this was an excellent takedown of a big rant.
 
qwints said:
I'm not sure I've heard mere profanity labeled as anyone's trigger, but I've certainly heard people explain that the insults and personal attacks were problematic. It may be impossible to reconcile people's need to express anger with a safe space, and the mods at atheismplus have chosen to allow the former perhaps at the expense of the latter.
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If I'm not mistaken - because honestly I'd be willing to think that I was lucid-dreaming - I just saw a thread with "TW: Dawkins" in the title.

Seriously... do you guys laugh at this sort of nonsense in the Inner Sanctum? No one's sensitive enough to being cursed at and called names that they'd think of creating a tag like "TW: Insane Foul-Mouthed Rant by Douchebag", but they put a person's name in as a TW? Hitler doesn't bother anyone? How about Pol Pot, Dahmer, Idi Amin? But Dawkins name could be a trigger for one of the special bunnies? Nonsense. It's political correctness of the stupidest order,... sucking up to the prejudices of the "in crowd".

What's next? "TW: Words with double consonants."



Oh, and can someone link me to the Vancouver discussion? I seem to have forgotten where it is and can't identify it.
 
Empress said:
Here you go, FMW.
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Ah, thanks. The one sub-forum I didn't think to look in. That maroon, Setar, put it in "Organization, Activism and Charity"?

Qwints,... when you're around.... When is someone going to just call out Setar for being a posturing buffoon, instead of scratching behind the ears until he/she purrs? If that was really a case of being misled by biased news outlets, why not check the report itself. And then you help the doubling down by acknowledging that the overall report is rather good - hell, it's excellent considering it comes from half-input by the PD, if you ask me - but that they had some sentences in there that weren't kosher. Jeez, Louise. If I saw that kind of report out of the Mayor's office in Los Angeles or Dallas or Miami, I'd be thrilled at the progress being made.

Oh, and Ischemgeek looks so lovely in the new egg-on-face motif.
 
Speaking of Organization, Activism, and Charity, they've almost reached their goal for their Skepticon fundraiser. Andy the Nerd just donated 250 bucks which puts them only 60 dollars away. Grimalkin said he hasn't had any applications for the grant, however. Can't imagine why not, when they've done such a good job throwing everyone else out of their safe sandbox. :rolleyes:
 
Foolmewunz said:
Ah, thanks. The one sub-forum I didn't think to look in. That maroon, Setar, put it in "Organization, Activism and Charity"?

Qwints,... when you're around.... When is someone going to just call out Setar for being a posturing buffoon, instead of scratching behind the ears until he/she purrs? If that was really a case of being misled by biased news outlets, why not check the report itself. And then you help the doubling down by acknowledging that the overall report is rather good - hell, it's excellent considering it comes from half-input by the PD, if you ask me - but that they had some sentences in there that weren't kosher. Jeez, Louise. If I saw that kind of report out of the Mayor's office in Los Angeles or Dallas or Miami, I'd be thrilled at the progress being made.

Oh, and Ischemgeek looks so lovely in the new egg-on-face motif.
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There was one phrase I read in that news report that looked like copy error. This bit:

"the frequency of violence committed upon the seriously mentally ill is also increasing. Those apprehended under the Mental Health Act are 15 times more likely to be the victim of crime and 23 times more likely to be a victim of violent crime than people without the illness."

As a result I'm not sure what they're comparing. Are people apprehended under the Mental Health Act 23 times more likely to be victims of violent crime than people who have never been apprehended? Or are they 23 times more likely than people who have not been diagnosed with any mental illness?

People are apprehended under the mental health act in Canada for three reasons:

1. They are a danger to others
2. They are a danger to themselves (self harming or suicidal)
3. They are unable to care for themselves

So those apprehended resemble an extreme end of the mental health spectrum.

I'd be interested to find out.
 
Foolmewunz said:
Ah, thanks. The one sub-forum I didn't think to look in. That maroon, Setar, put it in "Organization, Activism and Charity"?

Qwints,... when you're around.... When is someone going to just call out Setar for being a posturing buffoon, instead of scratching behind the ears until he/she purrs? If that was really a case of being misled by biased news outlets, why not check the report itself. And then you help the doubling down by acknowledging that the overall report is rather good - hell, it's excellent considering it comes from half-input by the PD, if you ask me - but that they had some sentences in there that weren't kosher. Jeez, Louise. If I saw that kind of report out of the Mayor's office in Los Angeles or Dallas or Miami, I'd be thrilled at the progress being made.

Oh, and Ischemgeek looks so lovely in the new egg-on-face motif.
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You couldn't ask for a better demonstration of the [foo]-splaining (mansplaining, ablesplaining, thinsplaining, notamoronsplaining) construct being used as a means of censoring rational debate.

It's a malignant absurdity that in a community claiming to position itself as being rational, a person should need to defend their arguments in terms of who they are instead of in terms of whether their premises are factual and their arguments valid.

What e4e5 was saying would be equally true whether it was being said by a depressive, an schizophrenic, a mentally well person or Hitler. The fact that they had to invoke their own mental illness in order to be allowed to speak shows how dysfunctional that community is.
 
Kevin_Lowe said:
You couldn't ask for a better demonstration of the [foo]-splaining (mansplaining, ablesplaining, thinsplaining, notamoronsplaining) construct being used as a means of censoring rational debate.

It's a malignant absurdity that in a community claiming to position itself as being rational, a person should need to defend their arguments in terms of who they are instead of in terms of whether their premises are factual and their arguments valid.

What e4e5 was saying would be equally true whether it was being said by a depressive, an schizophrenic, a mentally well person or Hitler. The fact that they had to invoke their own mental illness in order to be allowed to speak shows how dysfunctional that community is.
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And part of me, regardless that I know that it is far from SJW Correct, nor even politically correct, completely enjoyed the "Hey, who's crazy here, anyway? We're the crazies and you can't tell us how to best treat us. Oh? You're crazy, too? Welcome, brother/sister/xirster... but you're still wrong."
 
Here's a nugget of funny that came up recently on Pharyngula. I can't post links proper because I'm new here, but you know the drill:

freethoughtblogs <DOT> com/pharyngula/2013/09/10/thunderdome-34/comment-page-1/#comment-689141

Aspiring master chemist "Esteleth, statistically significant to p ≤ 0.001" informs us in a discursive, clumsily written post that "1 liter is by definition 1 billion microliters." Well, no, that's actually a thousand liters. But what's a few orders of magnitude among the intellectual élites at Freethought Blogs?

Also, that "statistically significant to p ≤ 0.001" thing suggests that Esteleth does not know that rejecting a null hypothesis at such a low p-value is not necessarily impressive. For one thing, it becomes trivially easy to reject these sorts of hypotheses as sample size increases and, more importantly, statistical significance does not imply practical significance.

PeeZus himself apparently doesn't know what a p-value really means:

scienceblogs <DOT> com/pharyngula/2012/08/13/live-by-statistics-die-by-statistics/

Freethought Blogs, Atheism+ and Skepchick are probably the most pitiful intellectual posers in the skeptical movement. Remember when Pharyngula commentor 'Tis Himself turned out to be a gigantic plagiarist? (atheismplus <DOT> com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=134&start=25#p4290) He is just a poster child for everything that is wrong with those people. Is there any reason their constant slander and bullying should be put up with when they're so utterly mediocre?
 
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Kevin_Lowe said:
You couldn't ask for a better demonstration of the [foo]-splaining (mansplaining, ablesplaining, thinsplaining, notamoronsplaining) construct being used as a means of censoring rational debate.

It's a malignant absurdity that in a community claiming to position itself as being rational, a person should need to defend their arguments in terms of who they are instead of in terms of whether their premises are factual and their arguments valid.

What e4e5 was saying would be equally true whether it was being said by a depressive, an schizophrenic, a mentally well person or Hitler. The fact that they had to invoke their own mental illness in order to be allowed to speak shows how dysfunctional that community is.
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Hey, don't be imposing your Ratarchy by ratsplaining!!!
 
Ye Gods, does Ischemgeek have no sense of irony?

that you have a mental illness does not mean you can dismiss the perceptions of others with mental illnesses with impunity. Do not assume your experience of mental illness is universal. Rather than stating your opinion as if it's universal fact ("Mentally folk people are not shown as a danger to society."), try stating your opinions as opinions (phrasing the previous as an "I think" statement would have not invalidated others' perceptions in the way that stating it as a universal did) and seeking to understand why Setar and others perceive ableism from what the Mayor's office said and how the statement was framed.
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Of course, all the posters there preface all their opinions with "I think" and ensure that they try to listen to other people's points of view rather than, say, trying to shut down dissenting opinions by patronisingly telling people that they're horrible people who need to educate themselves or be banned.
 
Empress said:
Speaking of Organization, Activism, and Charity, they've almost reached their goal for their Skepticon fundraiser. Andy the Nerd just donated 250 bucks which puts them only 60 dollars away. Grimalkin said he hasn't had any applications for the grant, however. Can't imagine why not, when they've done such a good job throwing everyone else out of their safe sandbox. :rolleyes:
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Wait...so they'll be an actual A-plusser there? I hope I get to meet them. :)

<cackles with glee>
 
Foolmewunz said:
Qwints,... when you're around.... When is someone going to just call out Setar for being a posturing buffoon, instead of scratching behind the ears until he/she purrs?
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I've agreed with Setar on some topics and disagreed with them on others.
 
That isn't a cogent reply. It doesn't answer the question, nor does it even attempt to argue against the premise of the question.

"When are you going to fix the irrigation system so we can water the crops again?"

"Some days the system works, other days it is broken"
 
Ibn Khaldun said:
Here's a nugget of funny that came up recently on Pharyngula. I can't post links proper because I'm new here, but you know the drill:

freethoughtblogs <DOT> com/pharyngula/2013/09/10/thunderdome-34/comment-page-1/#comment-689141

Aspiring master chemist "Esteleth, statistically significant to p ≤ 0.001" informs us in a discursive, clumsily written post that "1 liter is by definition 1 billion microliters." Well, no, that's actually a thousand liters. But what's a few orders of magnitude among the intellectual élites at Freethought Blogs?

Also, that "statistically significant to p ≤ 0.001" thing suggests that Esteleth does not know that rejecting a null hypothesis at such a low p-value is not necessarily impressive. For one thing, it becomes trivially easy to reject these sorts of hypotheses as sample size increases and, more importantly, statistical significance does not imply practical significance.

PeeZus himself apparently doesn't know what a p-value really means:

scienceblogs <DOT> com/pharyngula/2012/08/13/live-by-statistics-die-by-statistics/

Freethought Blogs, Atheism+ and Skepchick are probably the most pitiful intellectual posers in the skeptical movement. Remember when Pharyngula commentor 'Tis Himself turned out to be a gigantic plagiarist? (atheismplus <DOT> com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=134&start=25#p4290) He is just a poster child for everything that is wrong with those people. Is there any reason their constant slander and bullying should be put up with when they're so utterly mediocre?
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Here are your links for you, Ibn Khaldun. Welcome to the forum!! :) I hope you continue to post.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/09/10/thunderdome-34/comment-page-1/#comment-689141

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/08/13/live-by-statistics-die-by-statistics/

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=134&start=25#p4290
 
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