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tsig said:
Unless you show unrelenting and unreasoning hate of PZ and all who mention his name with less than disdain you're not going to feel welcome in this thread.
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Sooooooo much hate! I can't believe that JREF allows this thread to stay up, to be honest. It's just like being on Stormfront!
 
tsig said:
Unless you show unrelenting and unreasoning hate of PZ and all who mention his name with less than disdain you're not going to feel welcome in this thread.
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Axiom_Blade said:
Sooooooo much hate! I can't believe that JREF allows this thread to stay up, to be honest. It's just like being on Stormfront!
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QED

Thanks for the demonstration.
 
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qwints said:
There's something strange going on in this discourse and I can't quite express it. It seems like a lot of people have inconsistent views on the following proposition: "Some forms of criticism are silencing." I'm also not sure I understand what a lot of commenters mean by silencing right now.
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Other people may have their views, mine is as follows. Criticism expressed directly to someone not in ones power (i.e. offspring, employee), can never be silencing. Criticism as part of a group effort can definitely be silencing; it becomes group bullying. Criticism expressed not to the person involved, but to xir/xit employer, social group, family and the like is more likely to be an attempt at silencing than honest criticism, and often works.

On mr. Myers' possible intent to silence mr. Lindsay, I have no opinion; the evidence falls far short of being convincing. It's more innuendo based on dislike at this point, than it is rational analysis.

If hypothetically, that were mr. Myers' intent, criticising mr. Lindsay directly would not be effective at all. This has of course already happened and has had no silencing effect that I've been able to notice. Possible moves like threatening to boycott the CFI might well be effective and that is conceivable.

Or for instance, a letter to his pastor requesting an appropriate sermon might work, depending on mr. Lindsay's current standing in the church. ;)
 
tsig said:
You are aware that there are female bloggers who have quit blogging due to comments from the slymepit?
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I'm not. Can you name some?

I'm assuming the stories will be easy to google once I have the names, but what does puzzle me is how comments on an almost unknown site that you are not forced to visit, could be so damaging to sane people that they'd stop blogging because of it.
 
Lorentz said:
I'm not. Can you name some?

I'm assuming the stories will be easy to google once I have the names, but what does puzzle me is how comments on an almost unknown site that you are not forced to visit, could be so damaging to sane people that they'd stop blogging because of it.
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You are assuming sanity ;)

I am with you there, I do not understand why individuals who go out of their way to make public statements on blogs, fora, twitter and other places don't understand that people will disagree with them and make public replies. If you can't handle criticism and disagreement, you should not make public statements.

They seem to equate disagreement and criticism with personal attacks. While some criticism can be personal attacks, not all are.

They seem to think that all of the internet should be their own personal safe space. This makes me sort of understand the drive behind the safe space push at A+. They want their own corner of the internet where they can have their own personal safe space but still put things out there for others to see.

Frankly I think they all need to just grow up ;)
 
tsig said:
QED

Thanks for the demonstration.
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I've noticed that you seem to be coming out with a lot of snark and sarcasm, as well as throwing in the occasional overblown strawman, but without adding much by the way of supporting arguments, or explanations of your reasoning.

Is that because you've concluded there's nobody here worth having a discussion with? Is it because of old grudges (which seem to play a big part in these schisms)? Other reasons?
 
Kochanski said:
You are assuming sanity ;)

I am with you there, I do not understand why individuals who go out of their way to make public statements on blogs, fora, twitter and other places don't understand that people will disagree with them and make public replies. If you can't handle criticism and disagreement, you should not make public statements.

They seem to equate disagreement and criticism with personal attacks. While some criticism can be personal attacks, not all are.

They seem to think that all of the internet should be their own personal safe space. This makes me sort of understand the drive behind the safe space push at A+. They want their own corner of the internet where they can have their own personal safe space but still put things out there for others to see.

Frankly I think they all need to just grow up ;)
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Right:
http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/helen-lewis-hasteley/2011/11/comments-rape-abuse-women
 
Axiom_Blade said:
Sooooooo much hate! I can't believe that JREF allows this thread to stay up, to be honest. It's just like being on Stormfront!
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Lorentz said:
I've noticed that you seem to be coming out with a lot of snark and sarcasm, as well as throwing in the occasional overblown strawman, but without adding much by the way of supporting arguments, or explanations of your reasoning.

Is that because you've concluded there's nobody here worth having a discussion with? Is it because of old grudges (which seem to play a big part in these schisms)? Other reasons?
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There's no snark there, Axiom Blade's post perfectly demonstrated what I had said.

When anything you post is going to be misinterpreted, twisted and ridiculed as you are doing with your strawman and snark accusations,it's the better part of wisdom to keep it short.
 
Axiom_Blade said:
Which female bloggers were scared off by the slymepit? You claim to know, yet you seem to be avoiding this question.
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I don't remember the names and the history on the blogs I was looking at don't go back far enough but I'm sure you'd just write them off as a bunch of whiny bitches who can't stand the heat.
 
Kochanski said:
And it is still stupid troll comments online, sticks and stones time.

If women in the 60s and 70s responded the way these babies do to comments, this current generation would have a whole lot more to worry about than just being called names on the internet. The current generation would NOT be able to pursue the careers they pursue now.

Again, they need to grow up.
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Thanks for proving you approve of insulting women.
 
There's a lot to read in that piece, but the bit by Kate Smurthwaite really leaped out at me:
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Sites also need to have a "report this comment" button, and use it. It amazes me some of the comments that are left up on sites like The Guardian. There is a difference between hate speech and free speech and we need to draw it and stick to it.
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Free speech giving you trouble? Just redefine it! (Gee, I wonder who gets to decide what's "hate speech" and what's "free speech"?)

Of course, the real problem isn't internet trolls, it's...(can you guess?)...pornography, gangsta rap, and the "fact" that "at least 95 per cent of actual rapists are still on the streets." That's an incredible statistic, and it's just thrown out there with zero evidence backing it up...no source, no citation.
 
tsig said:
I don't remember the names and the history on the blogs I was looking at don't go back far enough but I'm sure you'd just write them off as a bunch of whiny bitches who can't stand the heat.
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I'm sorry that you feel that way. You seem to think you know me very well after reading a few things I've written on a web forum.

While I'm not sure whether or not female bloggers are picked on more than male bloggers, they are likely more often the target of "gendered" insults. I think this does say something about society, and it's not something good. But what can be done about it? Should you force people to quit being rude? Could you, even if you wanted to? The only way to do it would be draconian censorship.

There has been a technological solution to this for decades, though. Email has filters, you can block people on Twitter and Facebook, you can ban people from your blog. Don't respond, just ban/block/ignore. What's wrong with that?
 
Axiom_Blade said:
While I'm not sure whether or not female bloggers are picked on more than male bloggers, they are likely more often the target of "gendered" insults. I think this does say something about society, and it's not something good. But what can be done about it? Should you force people to quit being rude? Could you, even if you wanted to? The only way to do it would be draconian censorship.
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Attempt to change society. Woudln't eliminate it, but certainly reduce it.

There has been a technological solution to this for decades, though. Email has filters, you can block people on Twitter and Facebook, you can ban people from your blog. Don't respond, just ban/block/ignore. What's wrong with that?
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I think filters are to a certain extent less effective than they used to be. Tweets get repeated by new people, or are seen by friends, sent to co-workers. A lot of the harassment is exceptional for how relentless it can be, rather than the content. I don't blame those people who quite blogging, though even then the harassment doesn't necessarily stop.
 
Kochanski said:
I am a woman and guess what I have been insulted many times, but I can take it and give it back, too.
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Why should you have to be insulted?


ETA: wait, wait I see if someone isn't as macho as you they don't deserve a voice.
 
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tsig said:
Why should you have to be insulted?


ETA: wait, wait I see if someone isn't as macho as you they don't deserve a voice.
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If you say anything online, there are those that will attack you. It's not right that it's so, but it is so regardless.

For instance, I shouldn't receive death threats for appearing and talking about atheism. But I have, and will continue to do so. I accept it as part of the problem I'm working towards fixing.

And yes, if you can't handle this then you need to find some other way to help.

this is part of the problem we face. If it wasn't we wouldn't be fighting it.
 
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