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[zooterkin]

You made the same threat that these Plusser idiots do - I'll be ejected for saying something you disagree with.

Perhaps you could quote exactly where that threat was made?

 

[Badger3k]

Very few. But why shouldn't there be a public dialog on trans issues?

I am not trying to make sense of the way A+ is using it, but it a useful term that makes sense to exist.

There can be, but not every issue is a tans issue - the same way not everything is a sexism issue, an atheism issue, a racism issue, etc. They want to make every issue about them and their pet ideology.

 

[Badger3k]

Perhaps you could quote exactly where that threat was made?

You're slandering "one of us", and "the rest of us" may not take too kindly to that.

See, that says - we're going to take action unless you don't shut up, so you better know what's good for you.

 

[zooterkin]

You're slandering "one of us", and "the rest of us" may not take too kindly to that.

And how do you translate that to:

You made the same threat that these Plusser idiots do - I'll be ejected for saying something you disagree with.

?

See, that says - we're going to take action unless you don't shut up, so you better know what's good for you.

It does? What action do you think ordinary members here can take? Do you have any evidence of the moderators, the ones with any power, forcing members out for not toeing the party line? This is not the Atheism+ forum.

 

[westprog]

More often than not, I'm the "calm down boyz, here have an olive branch" kind of poster.

Of course, on A+ that's the one thing guaranteed to get a ban. I managed to avoid it as much as I could. Bombarding someone with abuse is a sure-fire way to get support. The trick is to get in first.

It's actually quite difficult to get banned on JREF. You really have to work at it. I was insulted on my first post here by a woman whose name I now can't recall. She broke the rules for years IIRC, and had to finally almost force them to kick her out.

 

[Diogenes]

...
To sum up:

Keen supporter starts an Atheism+ Facebook group, and decides to tell the forum about it.

Gets abuse and accusations of "privileged" hurled at him by multiple members.

...

I missed that thread but I did run across the Facebook group and I was thinking "Wow, this Facebook group is lacking all the crazy on their own forum, I wonder why?"

Well...there's the answer, thanks for sampling the forum and catching that.

 

[westprog]

Also notice how several of laughing coyote's posts have been edited to remove insults "at mod request". Not edited by a mod and given a warning for abusive behaviour ... not warned for not helping keep it a 'safe' community' ... but nudged in private, allowed to edit it, and still there with other abuse left in anyway.

Compare and contrast with treatment of Gloves, and westprog.

I think the treatment of Piegasm was an exemplar of how they do things. No public warning, no suspension, still a mod in good standing. Was continuing to moderate the same thread where she vilified a rape victim until I pointed out how inappropriate that was. Told me that she never threatened me with a ban, then used the threat as a reason for giving me a ban. Insisted that I had a personal problem with her, and then personally banned me for life.

Luckily, I went in there eyes open, and remain unscarred. However, they are trying to attract the vulnerable, and they are mistreating them in a very unpleasant way - and show no concern whatsoever.

 

[zooterkin]

Of course, on A+ that's the one thing guaranteed to get a ban. I managed to avoid it as much as I could. Bombarding someone with abuse is a sure-fire way to get support. The trick is to get in first.

It's actually quite difficult to get banned on JREF. You really have to work at it. I was insulted on my first post here by a woman whose name I now can't recall. She broke the rules for years IIRC, and had to finally almost force them to kick her out.

Unless I'm mistaken, this looks like your first post. Maybe it was a later one you're thinking of, but I couldn't see it in the first few I looked at.

 

[Walter Ego]

The "social justice" bloggers make money from people clicking their blogs.

I've said this before but it's important so I'll say it again. If you don't have ad blocking software on your PC, just viewing a page on Freethought blogs or Skepchick puts money in their pocket. You are supporting them financially by reading their blog blovations without ad blocking. Keep that in mind.

 

[squealpiggy]

Of course, on A+ that's the one thing guaranteed to get a ban. I managed to avoid it as much as I could. Bombarding someone with abuse is a sure-fire way to get support. The trick is to get in first.

It's actually quite difficult to get banned on JREF. You really have to work at it. I was insulted on my first post here by a woman whose name I now can't recall. She broke the rules for years IIRC, and had to finally almost force them to kick her out.

Moderators on a forum are there to keep things flowing and allow people to have their say without the fight getting too dirty. On this forum and most others they do it very well. On the A Plus forum their aim appears to be to crush dissent.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Very few. But why shouldn't there be a public dialog on trans issues?

Did I say anything to make you think that I do not want such a dialog?

 

[Walter Ego]

Moderators on a forum are there to keep things flowing and allow people to have their say without the fight getting too dirty. On this forum and most others they do it very well. On the A Plus forum their aim appears to be to crush dissent.

More important, the JREF forum allows dissent, even trolling. You just have to stay within the clear and posted rules.

Several 9/11 truthers have had a long run on the 9/11 CT sub-forum and one troll kept a thread about the JFK assassination going (aided and abetted by some of the "skeptics") for almost one entire year on the CT forum, where even Holocaust deniers have free speech.

How long would something like that be allowed on A+?

 

[Orphia Nay]

I missed that thread but I did run across the Facebook group and I was thinking "Wow, this Facebook group is lacking all the crazy on their own forum, I wonder why?"

Well...there's the answer, thanks for sampling the forum and catching that.

Hehehe, cheers!

 

[squealpiggy]

More important, the JREF forum allows dissent, even trolling. You just have to stay within the clear and posted rules.

Several 9/11 truthers have had a long run on the 9/11 CT sub-forum and one troll kept a thread about the JFK assassination going (aided and abetted by some of the "skeptics") for almost one entire year on the CT forum, where even Holocaust deniers have free speech.

How long would something like that be allowed on A+?

Depends on whether the individuals running it were friends of the moderators...

 

[ponderingturtle]

There can be, but not every issue is a tans issue - the same way not everything is a sexism issue, an atheism issue, a racism issue, etc. They want to make every issue about them and their pet ideology.

And how does that remove the utility of a way to be specificly non trans in a non round about way? It is a dichotomy so it is perfect for two terms not just A and nonA.

 

[westprog]

Unless I'm mistaken, this looks like your first post. Maybe it was a later one you're thinking of, but I couldn't see it in the first few I looked at.

I meant the first post on R&P. I posted on conspiracy a bit before that.

 

[westprog]

Moderators on a forum are there to keep things flowing and allow people to have their say without the fight getting too dirty. On this forum and most others they do it very well. On the A Plus forum their aim appears to be to crush dissent.

Even the appearance of being unaligned is enough. As we can see from the "Hey guys, I set up a Facebook page" thread, the biggest sin is Not Knowing Your Place. There is a hierarchy here, with sacred names. They get to decide what is right.

I appreciate the moderation here much more after spending time in a place where moderation has nothing to do with umpiring different points of view. While they might not always succeed, the moderators here attempt to be even-handed. The moderators there regard their job as to support the right point of view. Even more, it's to support the right people against the wrong people.

 

[westprog]

Unless I'm mistaken, this looks like your first post. Maybe it was a later one you're thinking of, but I couldn't see it in the first few I looked at.

And I notice that I got a nice "welcome to the forums". Also I left a point unaddressed, so I went back and answered it. You have to take responsibility for that, zooterkin.

 

[Mr. Scott]

More important, the JREF forum allows dissent, even trolling. You just have to stay within the clear and posted rules.

Several 9/11 truthers have had a long run on the 9/11 CT sub-forum and one troll kept a thread about the JFK assassination going (aided and abetted by some of the "skeptics") for almost one entire year on the CT forum, where even Holocaust deniers have free speech.

How long would something like that be allowed on A+?

I've noticed moderation here has to do with following specific rules of conduct. Dissent from the JREF pary line has never been cause for banning. JREFers enjoy their unskeptical chew toys! A+ moderators seem to rely on their sixth sense that a participant is not on their side.

 

[Foolmewunz]

When you phrase it in the form of a threat, where 'slandering" somone who is "us" (so Greta is a member here?) and say that there will be repercussions and I may be kicked off of the "us"....yeah. No threat. You sounded just like my students when they get written up.

Members don't get people banned here. And unlike A+, mods don't jump in to defend respected (if that applies at all) posters. No one is threatening you with anything other than a good argument and that's what you seem to be here for, so perhaps you'll deconstruct your strawman before he topples over and sets the place on fire.

As for the posting history, again I have to ask why I should care? I know nobody here in real life, and nobody here is more than an anonymous commenter. I'll judge what is posted - whether you're a saint or mother theresa in other threads doesn't matter. You made the same threat that these Plusser idiots do - I'll be ejected for saying something you disagree with. Wow. I have read here for a bit but never bothered to comment, but this train wreck is, for some reality-tv-show reason, keeps my amazed by the depths these people will go through.

Well, if you can't be arsed to check out who you're talking to, you merely affirm that you're going to look rather foolish. Again, no one threatened you. I have no such authority. I was explaining why you were going to get a bit of a reaction if you continued the accusation of scam because someone you happen to disagree with raised money through her regular supporters and support network.

Please stop accusing me of threatening you. It is untrue. Re-read my post - the actual words and not a deconstruction - and you will see that that interpretation is wrong. You may be spending too much time reading on boards where they behave like that, but the moderators here do not appoint me to speak for them - nor does anyone in this thread. I was merely making an observation.

ETA: Didn't see there was another page and that Zooterkin had addressed this with much more brevity.